London and Port Stanley

I saw this,and it appealed greatly, so I've downloaded it, thinking even I couldnt make a mistake on this one.

and it appears to run nicely, but does anyone on here have it.
The only problem is that nothing has any Brakes, any ideas please, otherwise I'll just uninstall it Neanderthal.

Hi Roger,

nothing has any Brakes

That's rather a sweeping statement, mate.

I installed that route when the 'mini' version became available but haven't run much on it (yet).
I've just tried the L&PS E1 Express Motorcar on the path starting at Glanworth and heading North.  The brakes work OK.

HINT!!  When the route opens, the default starting point is '_Incline Railway' heading to '_Inclined Top'. PLEASE do not use that path otherwise you'll just soon be rolling down the hill!!  You are right that, in that situation, the brakes have no effect! I think it may be because Open Rails seems to have problems with steep railways - remember the trouble we had a little while ago with the Snowdon Mountain Railway?

If you're having problems with other locos and/or activities, please give more details.

Cheers,
Ged

For sure I've done something wrong, the Incline Railway act just shows a blue sky and nothing else.


As I said I have tried a few acts none of the Trains appear to have brakes ..

Hi Roger,
Yes, I agree with you that the units shown in your screenshots have no brakes!!

As the route and stock were originally created for MSTS, I'll try it in that sim later to check the brakes.  It they work OK then it would seem that they need a little 'tweaking' for use in Open Rails.

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : The brakes DO work in MSTS!!

Here's the fix as posted at TrainSim

find all instances of "BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce ( 0.50 )" and replace that 0.5 with something more sensible like 50psi (technically, the limit should probably be higher than that even but multiplying by 100 makes the math easier), then also change the "MaxBrakeForce" to account for the increase in pressure (in this case, multiply by 100).

Hi Eric,
Thanks for that (I must have missed it!) but those changes don't help!

The brake system is set to 'Air_twin_pipe' but I have a vague memory that Open Rails doesn't process that correctly.  When changed to 'Air_single_pipe' the brakes do work but could be better!  Multiplying the MaxBrakeForce by 200 seems to improve the braking.

Tested using Open Rails Stable v1.5.1 and LPSNo2.eng

Cheers,
Ged

Well thank you both for that,and I'm sorry for being so slow in replying, but I've had a lovely day out on the NHS.
Now having got that out of the way, I must admit I'm at least happy that for once maybe it wasn't down to me, I only D/L OR now as the Old Girl just refused  to work for me
and as we all know I'm not quite  PC Wizz (wise) and altering those things would be beyond my capabilities (if I could even find them)......Neanderthal (by name and knowledge)

Hi Roger,
I could send my updated files to you but I think they can be made better, so maybe we should wait a bit.

I've only done the LPSNo2* to LPSNo10* files in LPSNo2 folder and haven't checked the others - they may also require modification!

Cheers,
Ged

A most kind offer Ged.Thank you. I'll keep the Route on my PC then and await any assistance from you.There's no great rush though so don't put yourself out.
The Route in itself does appear to be well done though, so it's something to look forward to .. Neandethal

Hi Roger and Ged,

Please find below a .eng file for the loco illustrated in Rogers screenshots. It is loosly based on my Southern Region EMU's. I have copied and pasted it in full in an effort to make it's use as easy as possible, so apologies for the amount of space taken up.
I have tried to use as much of the original data as possible.
The engine section could no doubt be further improved by the inclusion of traction curve tables but that would take me a bit more time and maybe for another day.
Anyway this .eng file works on my Dorset Coast testing route Ok ( I do not have the LPS route installed ATM) so should work on other systems. Open Rails Only though

Terry W.


SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( LPSNo2
Type ( Engine )
WagonShape ( LPSNo2.s )

Comment ( " 2003-01-10(C)wacampbell@rogers.com" )
Comment ( RBE 3-1-2010 )
Comment ( Physics values taken from Bob Boudoin v4.7 Alco RS1v45 )
Comment ( Some values scaled for mass )
Comment ( Friction values from FCalc2 )
Comment ( TrainBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake )

Freightanim ( Motorman.s 1 1 )
PassengerCapacity ( 56 )
Comment( "Coupled Length S/B 19.278m" )
Size ( 3m 4m 19.26 )
Mass ( 47t-UK )
WheelRadius ( 18in )
ORTSNumberAxles ( 2 )
ORTSNumberBogies ( 2 )

BrakeEquipmentType ( "Triple_Valve, Distributor, auxilary_reservoir, Handbrake" )
BrakeSystemType ( "EP" )
ORTSMaxBrakeShoeForce ( 352kN ) Comment ( braked approx 75% Tare)
MaxHandbrakeForce ( 94kN ) Comment ( braked approx 2% Mass)
EmergencyResVolumeMultiplier ( 1.0 )
TripleValveRatio ( 2.5 )
MaxReleaseRate ( 10.0 )
MaxApplicationRate ( 25.0 )
MaxAuxilaryChargingRate ( 20.0 )
EmergencyResChargingRate ( 20.0 )
BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce ( 70psi )
EmergencyResCapacity ( 2.064ft^3 )
BrakePipeVolume ( 0.56ft^3 )

ORTSNumberCarBrakeShoes ( 16 )
ORTSBrakeShoeType ( Cast_Iron_P6 )

ORTSBearingType ( Roller )
ORTSDavis_A ( 557 )
ORTSDavis_B ( 15.7 )
ORTSDavis_C ( 6.66 )

ORTSWagonFrontalArea ( 108ft^2 )
ORTSDavisDragConstant ( 0.0028 )
ORTSTrailLocomotiveResistanceFactor ( 0.209 )

CentreOfGravity ( 0m 2m 0m )
ORTSTrackGauge ( 4ft 8.5in )
ORTSUnbalancedSuperelevation ( 6in )
ORTSRigidWheelBase ( 8ft 6in ) Comment ( Guess )

Coupling (
Type ( Automatic )
Spring (
Stiffness ( 5e4N/m 5e6N/m )
Damping ( 5e4N/m/s 2e6N/m/s )
Break ( 2e7N 2e7N )
r0 ( 0cm 7cm )
)
CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 1 )
Velocity ( 0.1m/s )
)
Coupling (
Type ( Automatic )
Spring (
Stiffness ( 5e4N/m 5e6N/m )
Damping ( 5e4N/m/s 2e6N/m/s )
Break ( 2e7N 2e7N )
r0 ( 0cm 7cm )
)
CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 1 )
Velocity ( -0.1m/s )
)
Lights ( 6
comment ( Forward Sphere of light )
Light (
Type ( 1 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffee99 )
Position ( 0 4.11 9.2 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 100.0 )
Angle ( 40.0 )
)
)
)
comment ( Front Headlight )
Light (
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Service ( 2 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
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Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffee99 )
Position ( 0 4.1 9.2 )
Azimuth ( 0 0 0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.9 )
)
)
)
comment ( Rear Headlight )
Light (
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Service ( 2 )
Unit ( 3 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffee99 )
Position ( 0 4.1 -9.2 )
Azimuth ( 180 180 180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.9 )
)
)
)
comment ( Front Headlight - Reversed )
Light (
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Service ( 2 )
Unit ( 4 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffee99 )
Position ( 0 4.1 9.2 )
Azimuth ( 0 0 0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.9 )
)
)
)
comment ( Rear Headlight - Reversed )
Light (
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Service ( 2 )
Unit ( 5 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ffffee99 )
Position ( 0 4.1 -9.2 )
Azimuth ( 180 180 180 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.9 )
)
)
)
comment ( Pantograph Spark - Front Pantograph - No. 2 )
Light (
Type( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 4 )
Service ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.0 )
FadeOut ( 0.0 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 6
State (
Duration ( 3.7 )
LightColour ( 00000000 )
Position ( 0.0 6.875 5.12 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -180.0 180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.8 )
)
State (
Duration ( 0.2 )
LightColour ( 8800ccff )
Position ( 0.0 6.875 5.12 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -180.0 180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.8 )
Elevation ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
)
State (
Duration ( 5.1 )
LightColour ( 00000000 )
Position ( 0.0 6.875 5.12 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -180.0 180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.8 )
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State (
Duration ( 0.2 )
LightColour ( ddffffd0 )
Position ( 0.0 6.875 5.12 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -180.0 180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.8 )
Elevation ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
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State (
Duration ( 6.3 )
LightColour ( 00000000 )
Position ( 0.0 6.875 5.12 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -180.0 180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.8 )
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State (
Duration ( 0.2 )
LightColour ( aa00ccff )
Position ( 0.0 6.875 5.12 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -180.0 180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.8 )
Elevation ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
)
)
)
)
Inside (
PassengerCabinFile ( LPS_Passenger2.s)
PassengerCabinHeadPos ( -0.90 2.750 -2.4 )
RotationLimit ( 45 125 0 )
StartDirection ( 0 0 0 )
)
Sound ( "..\\..\\Shared\\LPS_Interurban\\Sound\\LPS_MotorEng.sms" )
)
Engine ( LPSNo2
Wagon ( LPSNo2 )
Type ( Electric )
Comment ( Nominal 500hp = 372.8kW )
Comment ( MaxPower = 981hp / 2 = 490.5hp = 365.77kW )
Comment ( MaxContinuousForce scaled from 1000hp Boxcab and MaxVelocity of 50mph )
Comment ( MaxContinuousForce = 36000lbf * 500hp/1000hp * 50mph/80mph = 11250lbf )
Comment ( MaxContinuousForce = 160.136kN * 500hp/1000hp * 50mph/80mph = 50.04kN )
Comment ( MaxContinuousForce Speed = 375 * 490.5hp / 11250lbf = 16.35mph )
Comment ( Maxforce = MaxContinuousForce )
Comment ( DieselEngineSpeedOfMaxTractiveEffort = 16.35mph )
Comment ( 365.77kW at 1.5kV = 243.8A )
Comment ( MaxCurrent scaled to Ammeter Range = 200A )
Comment ( LPS Catenary voltage = 1500V )

MaxPower ( 365.8kW )
MaxForce ( 50.04kN )
MaxContinuousForce ( 50.04kN )
MaxVelocity ( 80mph )
MaxCurrent ( 200A )
WheelRadius ( 18in )
ORTSNumberDriveAxles ( 2 ) Comment ( 2 axles powered )

CabView ( LPS-Motor.cvf )
HeadOut ( 1.7 2.8 7.7 )

Comment ( == Compressor, Reservoir and General == )
AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure( 90 )
AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure( 80 )
ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate ( 150 )
AirBrakesMainResVolume( 16ft^3 )
ORTSMainResChargingRate ( 0.575 )
TrainPipeLeakRate ( 0.0833 )

Comment ( == Automatic Brake valve - Train == )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 70psi )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxQuickReleaseRate( 24psi/s )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 4.0psi/s )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 3.0psi/s )
TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 48psi/s )
TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 24 )
TrainBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )

BrakesEngineBrakeType ( "EP_brake" )
BrakesTrainBrakeType ( "EP" )
BrakesEngineControllers( "Train" )

DoesHornTriggerBell ( 0 )

EngineControllers (

Throttle ( 0 1 0.01 0
NumNotches ( 15
Notch ( 0.000 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.02 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.05 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.10 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.15 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.20 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.25 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.30 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.40 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.50 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.60 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.70 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.80 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.90 0 Dummy )
Notch ( 1.00 0 Dummy )
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Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.02 0.1875
NumNotches ( 4
Notch ( 0.00 0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
Notch ( 0.10 1 Dummy )
Notch ( 0.70 0 TrainBrakesControllerFullServiceStart )
Notch ( 1.00 0 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyStart )
)
)
BellToggle ( 0 1 0 )
DirControl ( -1 0 1 1 )
EmergencyStopToggle ( 0 1 0 )
Headlights ( 0 0.25 1 0 )
Horn ( 0 1 0 )
PantographToggle1 ( 0 1 0 )
#PantographToggle2 ( 0 1 0 )
#PantographsToggle_4 ( 0 1 1 )
Sanding ( 0 1 0 )
Vigilance ( 0 1 0 )
Wipers ( 0 1 0 )
)
Sound ( "..\\..\\Shared\\LPS_Interurban\\Sound\\LPS_MotorCab.sms" )
Name ( "L&PS No. 2 - Motorcar" )
Description (
"Car No 2 was built by the Jewett Car Company of Newark, Ohio for the London & Port Stanley "+
"Railway in 1915 as part "+
"of an order for 5 cars. Constructed of steel, No 2 was 61' long over all, 9' 6\" wide and "+
"weighed just over 47 tons. No 2 seated 56 passengers in two compartments with a small "+
"baggage compartment at one end. Cost per car was $18,259. Equipped with multiple unit control "+
"these cars were powered by four GE 125 HP motors .\n"+
"\n"+
"In 1955, No 2 struck a loaded transport truck at a level crossing and suffered extensive damage. "+
"Both of its trucks were ripped off in the accident. Car 2 was scrapped shortly afterwards as a "+
"result of the damage. \n"+
"\n"+
" (c)wacampbell@rogers.com\n"+
"\n"+
"\n"+
" \n"
)
EngineOperatingProcedures (
"To move forward\n"+
"1. The pantograph has been raised for you. (If it is not up for some reason, press the P key to raise it.)\n"+
"2. Press the W key to move the Reverser to Forward.\n"+
"3. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the train brakes.\n"+
"4. Press the D key to move the throttle from Idle to Notch 1.\n"+
"5. Gradually increase power (D key), one notch at a time, until your train reaches the desired speed.\n\n"+
"To slow the train\n"+
"1. Press the A key to move the throttle to a lower setting.\n"+
"2. Use the brakes to further reduce speed if desired.\n\n"+
"To apply the train brakes\n"+
"1. Press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key to apply the brakes.\n\n"+
"To release the brakes\n"+
"1. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the brakes.\n\n"+
"To activate emergency braking\n"+
"1. Press the A key to reduce the throttle to Idle.\n"+
"2. Press the BACKSPACE key to activate emergency braking.\n\n"+
"To back up\n"+
"1. Bring your train to a full stop.\n"+
"2. Press the S key to move the Reverser to the Reverse position.\n"+
"4. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the brakes.\n"+
"5. Slowly advance the throttle lever (D key).\n\n"+
"To couple to a car or locomotive\n"+
"1. Coast into the unit at a very slow speed, about 4 Km/h.\n"+
"TIP: To use the Coupling view, press the 6 key.\n"+
"2. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
"3. If the icon for the unit you coupled to is red, the handbrake is on. Double-click the car to release the handbrake.\n"+
"4. Close the Train Operations window.\n\n"+
"To uncouple from a car or locomotive\n"+
"1. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
"2. Double-click a unit in the part of the train you want to uncouple from the locomotive, to set the handbrake.\n"+
"3. Double-click the coupler between the units you want to uncouple and the rest of the train.\n"+
"4. Close the Train Operations window."
) )

Hi Terry,
Thank you!! That's very good, stopping how I would expect it to!
I've only checked the No2 motor car by itself and must now make sure the other vehicles in Roger's consist have matching braking parameters.

I put your complete .eng file in an OpenRails folder within the LPSNo2 stock folder so it wouldn't affect its running in MSTS, but that's only necessary if MSTS is also used!!.

Well Done

Cheers,
Ged

Hi Ged

and thanks for " the thanks"

I am sure that most of the other stock would benefit from a Physics makeover.
I have to thank and acknowledge Darwin Smith for his work on the brakes and physics on a lot of OR stock all of wich I think are availabe to download from this site, from his download section. I only copy and paste his values into my own .eng and .wag files so that the files contain cosistant values.

I still use MSTS and so like yourself have an OR "include" file in each item of rolling stock. This however only contains the following
for example

SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( ccw_br_q_30534_EC
Type ( Engine )
WagonShape ( ccw_br_q_30534_EC.s )
Size ( 2.592501m 3.975m 9.12m )
FreightAnim ( "..\\common.headcodes\\CCW_o1\\Headcode_19.s" 0 3.0 0.0 )

Individual Lighting Section
Then
Include ( "..\\..\\Common_Locomotives\\Steam\\BR_S\\BR_Q\\wagon.inc" )
Engine ( ccw_br_q_30534_EC
Include ( "..\\..\\Common_Locomotives\\Steam\\BR_S\\BR_Q\\engine.inc" )
Name ( "ccw_br_q_30534_EC" )
Description ( etc etc

All of the other data are in two Common.Files
The same format for Tenders, Carriages, Passengers etc.
This means that say ten locos in a folder can all look to the same data written only once whilst retaining their own file for shape, size. lights and animations. It also simplifies any changes that may become neccesary needing only one change instead of ten

Again thanks for the kind words,

All the best

Terry

Thank you Terry (I think),sorry to take so long in replying, but I haven't got a clue what any of that means, and rather than Male Chicken everything up I will probably just uninstall the Route..Neanderthal

Hi Roger

Sorry I did not intentionally set out to confuse folks. Will try harder next time to keep it less cluttered!!!

Cheers

TW

No need to apologise for helping people Terry, I doubt you've confused anyone (except me, obviously). Thats why I use the name "Neanderthal",though even they would have been better at this PC thing than I .