Zurich-Basel - Track-Decoration

Hi Garry,

First of all, thank you for this road. I started the creation of an activity from Zürich to Paris-Gare-de-Lyon (by the LGE4). Unfortunately, as soon as I left Zürich on track 12, I found myself blocked by a free train.
At Basel SBB, I also saw trains laid alongside.
The tracks are agreeable decorated, but for a creator of activities, these free trains are a handicap. Do you allow me to mock the road somewhat by removing the annoying oars. Or is there a possibility of having a road without these oars?
Thank you in advance for your reply.

Incidentally when downloading the zurich-basel02 archive, I became a message telling me that it has an error in that, but downloading is possible.

Amicably
Pascal

Hi Pascal
Sorry for the delay in replying to you. I missed the post until today.

I have placed static trains in a number of positions to add interest to the route.

You can identify where they are in the following ways.
1. In stations the platform is not identified where there is a train placed. So Zurich Platform 12 has a platform marker but Platform 9 has no marker.

2. The same applies in sidings. Zurich A1 and Zurich A3 have siding markers but the siding between has a static train in it and is not identified. Also this train is protected by a signal set at permanent danger.

I hope this helps you.

Removing the static trains will enable you to run your activity as you like but will not enable others to run there.

Garry

Hi Garry,

Don’t worry, I’m a very patient man.

it is true as I noted, this road is pleasantly decorated. I bypassed my problem using another lane.
In fact my question in relation to the removal of some static was about the authorization to distribute my activity with the modifications made to the road. But this is no longer necessary.
On the other hand, it will be very difficult to create a freight activity, the tracks being very busy with static. With the MSTS modes editor, this was not a problem, but with ORTS and TSRE5 it becomes quite complicated.

Thanks again for that road. I guess it wasn’t easy to create.

Amicably
Pascal

Hi Pascal
There is a lot of freight activity on this route. If you Google "Rhine Alpine" you will find information and maps about routes from Northern Europe to Italy through Switzerland.

You can also watch a You Tube video showing a container travelling from Basel Europort to the Marshalling Yard at Limmattal then leaving there en route to the Gotthard. My container Freight activity follows the route in reverse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGxyPBhJO54

Below is a map of the route from Track Viewer showing the marshalling yards and the exits from the route to the North and South.

I am currently extending the route south towards Bern which is along the route to the Lotschberg.

Garry

Hello Garry

Thanks a lot for the video. It is fantastic how technical progress has made life easier for those responsible for sorting in particular and train regulation in general.

The video starts on the right side of the Rhine River in the port of Basel Kleinhünigen and I was born right in front in Huningue!

I worked in Switzerland for more than 30 years and I picked it up by train as part of my job from west to east and from north to south.

It is both very nice and surprising for you to be interested in the creation of Swiss Rail Roads, because there are only two creators of roads in Switzerland, one being paying.

Kindly
Pascal

Hi Pascal

There are some other free Swiss routes that may interest you.

On Didi's site https://didi2004.de/ you will find:
The Sudostbahn
My first attempt at a route so it is very dated. The fictional Abendzeit.
My second route, Luzern to Engelberg. Standard gauge track and Engelberg reduced in altitude to avoid the gradient on the rack section.
BLS 2010. My route from Bern over the Lotschberg as far as the Simplon tunnel.

There are also some routes on The Train.de
https://the-train.de/downloads/filebase/128-real/

Garry

I have just explored the route using a couple of Crocodiles. Very nice though perhaps a bit too clean in places even for Switzerland.
I noticed all the static stock.
But the problem I have is that I cannot find either of the consists required for the activities. I have installed the stock which and consists come with the route and the two Sudostbahn packs given in the notes. But none of these seem to contain the consists. What am I doing wrong?
And when you do an update it would be nice to have some maps as the file will not open in Mapper - like many others.
Jonathan

Jonathan hope this helps.

Sorry for the problems with the route. I know I should have sorted this out before now, but I have an idea as to how to proceed.

You say "too clean". By this do you mean things like graffiti, or do you mean that some areas need additional scenery. I am not keen on graffiti, and weathering of stock and buildings requires someone with artistic tendencies. This is definitely not me.

Please keep using the route and give me feedback if you find anything new that needs fixing. Post some screenshots please.

I reckon it is going to take me about 2 weeks to get everything sorted out, so please be patient.

Garry

Bad news

My idea to help with explore mode (I have never used this) was to remove the track beneath the scenery trains to block the route.
Having done this I now have the Open Rails log reporting many tdb errors.

So I think I will abandon this and try to get the route back in shape.

I will keep you informed of my progress.

Garry

Hello everyone,
hi Garry,

thank you for trying. Leave it as it is, it also has its advantages (no need for more scenery). We will deal with it. Often the too much is the enemy of the good

As I read that you were open to pointing out one or the other problem, one thing that bothers me a lot is the VLs. They seem to be totally fictitious. I have a lot of problems with the activity that I’m doing. I circumvented the problem by telling the driver how fast he can drive. To do this, you must first uncheck the speed control in the OR options. But it is impossible to manage over-speeds in the Track Monitor.

There is a site where you can find the VL: openrailwaymap.

If you could change that, that would be great. If you do wish it, I can send you the chart of speeds and PK’s I retained.

Another thing that is close to my heart, but here, I’m sorry, I'm shure I’m abusing, is the station of Basel SBB. It’s obviously difficult to model a building without having seen it. I can send you screenshots of the station on the LGV4 built by Michel Kmiec. The photos are from me, but not the final modeling.

Kindly
Pascal

Hi Pascal

Thanks for the information. I was totally unaware of the openrailwaymap containing speed limits, so as you say the limits I have placed are fiction. I will have a look at this and may decide to change them all for the next edition. The problem with speed limits is when you come to points and crossovers. The limit for straight ahead may be 120, but for taking the curved route it may be only 50. This is difficult to implement particularly at crossovers. Open Rails needs to have a setting for this.

As for Basel SBB, I would be pleased to see any information that you have. My model is mainly based on images from Google Earth and Streetview used with models that I had previously built and could adapt to suit. The one thing that is from the future is the building where the Post is over the tracks. Here I have built my version of Basel SBB Nauentor.
https://nauentor.ch/

Garry

Re my comment about the scenery being rather clean, I was thinking mainly of the plain green areas in the countryside. Perhaps just a different texture is needed. But that is no different from many of the older routes. No, not graffiti.
And re static stock, what I have seen others do is just have a break in the track close to the stock so you can't run a train into it (or through it of course).
I am completely incapable of creating a route, much as I would love to (Rhymney Railway main line preferably) so I have great admiration for those who can.
Re speed limits, of course in OR the locomotive itself has a speed limit which may be lower than the line limit. The crocodiles I used to explore the route were quite slow, so plenty of time to enjoy the route.
And thanks to Neanderthal for the map with place names.
Jonathan

Hi Jonathan

I have had a look at the Rhymney Valley on the Ordnance Survey maps and Wiki. It sounds interesting, perhaps you should consider giving route building a try. You will find that there is lots of support.
The line appears to run along the bottom of a valley which is good as it reduces the area visible to each side. The problem is that the area is very built up, lots of housing and industry to position. Lots of this will need to be modelled although you can probably use lots of ready made items available for download.

As for the green areas on the Zurich line, I have just counted 373 tiles each subdivided into 256 subtiles. When TSRE generates a new tile every subtile is green. Each change to a subtile from the original green has to be done by changing the tile texture manually. I only use the tile textures that came with the original MSTS version as my art skills are not good.

Garry

Hi Pascal
Thanks for the images and the table of speed limits. I will make use of them as I modify my route.

Looking at Basle SNCF I recall having problems at the western approach to the station, 2 tracks on the approach splitting into about 15 platforms. In the space available this would be a problem if the track were straight but it has a curve to the right. I had several attempts at getting it to work without success, and eventually settled for the track layout used.
Looking at openrailmaps and Google Earth, it appears that this end of the station is undergoing redevelopment. Several platforms are shown as being not continuous and the images show construction equipment digging up the tracks.

The Chablais line and LGE, are they available for download? I would be interested in looking at them.
Garry

Hi Garry,

here some pictures from the SNCF Station geographycaly situated on the east side.







SNCF Track are 30 to 35 without 34.

Link for the LGE4.1 :

https://www.funtrain.net/lines/view/14

Patch that correct the signalisation called "Les compléments" :
https://www.activitysimulatorworld.net/chargements_temporaires/Lignes/ASW_Chargements_Ligne_LGE.html

Link for the Chablais Route (Switzerland) :
https://re440msts.wixsite.com/re440-openrails-ch

Have a nice Day.

Kindly
Pascal

Hi Garry,

I've made a Mistake in my Speed Table : The first KP 80 must be 90. Sorry.

Amicalement
Pascal