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Post  pcohen Wed 14 Feb 2024, 4:24 pm

Hi everybody.

Where can I Download this please? managed to lose it.

Thanks

Paul.

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Post  ShortNorth Thu 15 Feb 2024, 1:44 am

It is right here in our own file library :

https://tsshonline.weebly.com/mick-clarke.html


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Post  slipperman12 Thu 15 Feb 2024, 1:35 pm

Hi,
@Brian : With the greatest respect, the version of MidEast Coast available from the TSSH library is the original v1.0, dated 4 Dec 2021 which was previously hosted on UKTS.

@Paul :  The latest version is 1.6.7.4, dated 30 Nov 2023 and is available from https://github.com/MECoast/MECoast
Left-click the green 'Code' button (upper right of centre) then left-click the 'Download ZIP' option which appears at the bottom of the drop-down list.
It'll take a while because it is almost 4GB in size - make sure you've got enough space!!

Cheers,
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Post  pgh60 Thu 15 Feb 2024, 8:37 pm

Hi having downloaded the latest version 1.6.7.4 can anyone offer any advice please on how to install this Route please.Thanks. pgh60

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Post  slipperman12 Thu 15 Feb 2024, 8:54 pm

Hi Peter,
After you've unpacked MidEast Coast, you end up with a folder named  MECoast-main which contains GLOBAL, ROUTES, SOUND and TRAINS folders.

That's it!!  Folder MECoast-main is like the old Train Simulator root folder.  Tell Open Rails where to find it (using  OPTIONS > Content) then you can run any of the Activities, or in Explore mode.

In case you're only using MSTS, sorry, but MEC is too big and won't run!!

Cheers,
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Post  neanderthal Thu 15 Feb 2024, 9:27 pm

And it runs lovely too. Just dropped off my Banker. Very Happy


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Post  pgh60 Sat 17 Feb 2024, 2:36 pm

Hi Ged thanks, sorry for being a pain but after trying several times and doing everything i think is right i cannot install this route and get it to run.I think i am getting too old for this.Any help again Please,Thanks. Peter.

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Post  slipperman12 Sun 18 Feb 2024, 10:54 am

Hi Peter,,
Don't worry, you're never too old!!

I can't add anything to my last post, but the route is not actually 'installed' - you only 'point' Open Rails (using the Options > Content tab) to the location of the MEC-main folder.  Please confirm that you have this folder and its GLOBAL, ROUTES, SOUND and TRAINS subfolders.

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Post  pgh60 Mon 19 Feb 2024, 3:38 pm

Hi Ged many thanks again, success at last, MEC is up and running i followed your advice about needing all the four folders.i have given it a quick play,great stuff again from Mick Clarke.Cheers Peter.

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Post  slipperman12 Mon 19 Feb 2024, 4:37 pm

Hi Peter,
Glad to be of help Smile

Cheers,
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Post  pgh60 Fri 30 Aug 2024, 5:37 pm

Hi when i run the activity Lincoln Coal in this great route with the 9F loco when i get to Haxey station and position the train as instructed to wait for the banker it arrives in reverse passes the rear then disappears into the distance and never returns to couple up I have waited ages but no joy,if anyone as managed to complete this activity any help would be welcome please.Thanks.Peter.

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Post  slipperman12 Fri 30 Aug 2024, 7:30 pm

Hi Peter,
Long time, no hear!!  I hope you're keeping well.

I'll have a look at this activity over the weekend but in the meantime, can you please tell us which version of the route you are using (the latest is 1.7.0, released in June 2024) and which version of Open Rails you are running.
Thanks.

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : Thought I'd look at it this evening!
What an excellent activity - I stopped at the Haxby signal, the banker coupled successfully and we set off to Misterton. Stopped just before the station and uncoupled the banker, which toddled off on its own and I continued towards Beckingham where I am now waiting to be passed by a passenger train. I'd forgotten how good this route looks - thanks for reporting a problem!! To get to that, I'm using v1.7.0 of the route with v1.5.1 of Open Rails, so I'm hoping you can tell me you're using different versions because it's worked fine for me, up to now!!


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Post  neanderthal Fri 30 Aug 2024, 9:24 pm

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Hi Peter,as you are approaching Haxey you should see your Banker on the LHS, a local Passenger Train should also be visible.

You did remember to pull right up to the Departure Signal to ensure your Tail end has cleared the points..
As Ged has said this is a wonderful addition for OR, so I hope you get it working.
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Dropping off the Banker.


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Post  slipperman12 Sat 31 Aug 2024, 4:06 pm

Hi,
I have now successfully completed the activity Smile
I thought I was taking my time but I completed it in 1hr 36min 41secs against the estimated time of 1hr 45mins, so I think I did quite well!!

Peter, please let us know of your success, or otherwise. Smile If you're still having a problem, we may be able to see where things are going wrong.

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Post  niknak Mon 02 Sep 2024, 11:01 am

Hi Ged,

I'm having problems resuming the Lincoln Coal activity after a save. I'm getting the "IndexOutOfRangeException. Index was outside of bounds of the array" message before I can even move off!
This is on a fresh install of the route today from Github.
 I've tried uploading a screenshot and the OR log with this message ( both zipped ) but the site tells me the files exceed the storage capacity, even though both are well under the 3mb quoted.

Regards,

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Post  slipperman12 Mon 02 Sep 2024, 1:52 pm

Hi Nick,
Sorry, but you can't attach anything to posts here - we all get the same size message. I mentioned it to Justin some time ago but there's no progress yet.

If you want to include an image in your post, use the 'Insert Image' icon - 15th towards the left from right hand end.

Over the 30/31 Aug., I ran the Lincoln Coal activity, taking 6 saves altogether. Obviously, I used one when resuming on 31st! I've just successfully resumed from a different save.
I used v1.5.1 of Open Rails and v1.7.0 of MidEast Coast. All stock is as supplied. Maybe you've changed some stock, or an element of the route, between taking the save and resuming.
Does the log show anything amiss?

Cheers,
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Post  niknak Mon 02 Sep 2024, 3:18 pm

Thanks for responding Ged. I'm using the stable OR version and the latest ME Coast version from Github downloaded this morning and with nothing changed. It seems to be a problem I'm unique in having - Anytime I run an activity using swb wagons I have problems when resuming, but activities using bogie stock are fine which means UK goods acts are a no-no.

Luckily I have plenty of US routes to run so I think it's just something I have to live with in train simming world..

Thanks for the tip regarding attaching images to posts. Below is the relevant copy and pasted part of the log in case it helps but I'm not expecting miracles. Smile

Error: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Orts.Simulation.Traveller.get_IsTrack() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Traveller.cs:line 120
at Orts.Simulation.Traveller..ctor(TrackSectionsFile tSectionDat, TrackNode[] trackNodes, BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Traveller.cs:line 365
at Orts.Simulation.Physics.Train..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Physics\Train.cs:line 707
at Orts.Simulation.AIs.AITrain..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf, AI airef) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\AIs\AITrain.cs:line 225
at Orts.Simulation.AIs.AI..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf, Boolean autopilot) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\AIs\AI.cs:line 260
at Orts.Simulation.Simulator.RestoreTrains(BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Simulator.cs:line 1609
at Orts.Simulation.Simulator.Restore(BinaryReader inf, String pathName, Single initialTileX, Single initialTileZ, CancellationToken cancellation) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Simulator.cs:line 541
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Resume(UserSettings settings, String[] args) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 522
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.<>c__DisplayClass41_0.b__3() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 213
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Load() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 249
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.Load() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 161
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.DoLoad() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 140
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.LoaderThread() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Unstable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 111
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart()


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Post  slipperman12 Mon 02 Sep 2024, 4:19 pm

Hi Nick,
Thanks, but, unfortunately, the part of the log you've included would only be of use to somebody who has intimate knowledge of the Open Rails program!!

The actual data causing the error might have been reported in that part of the log between the listing of the route, path and consist and the part you included.

You said that you're using the Stable version of OR although that part of the log seems to imply you're using the Unstable version, but I could be interpreting it incorrectly!

Cheers,
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Post  niknak Mon 02 Sep 2024, 4:58 pm

Hi Ged,

Yes you're quite right I was on the wrong version. Apologies for the confusion. Ok here's the complete OR log just in case something jumps out at you and solves the mystery. Very Happy

This is a log file for Open Rails. Please include this file in bug reports.
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Date/time = 02/09/2024 16:52:51 (2024-09-02 15:52:51Z)
BIOS = 1.E0 (American Megatrends International, LLC.)
Processor = AMD Ryzen 5 4500 6-Core Processor (12 threads, 6 cores, 3.6 GHz) (L1 - Cache 384 KB) (L2 - Cache 3072 KB) (L3 - Cache 8192 KB)
Memory = 15.9 GB
Video = AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT (4.0 GB RAM) (amdkmdag 31.0.24033.1003)
Display = \\.\DISPLAY1 (1920 x 1080, 32-bit, primary, 0 x 0)
Sound = AMD Streaming Audio Device (amdsafd 1.0.0.9)
Sound = Realtek High Definition Audio (rtkvhd64 6.0.9240.1)
Sound = AMD High Definition Audio Device (atihdwt6 10.0.1.30)
Disk = C: (Local Fixed Disk, NTFS, 930.7 GB, 752.2 GB free)
OS = Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-bit (10.0.22631)
Runtimes = 2.0.50727 SP2 3.0 SP2 3.5 SP1 4 Client 4 Full 4.0 Client
Runtime = 4.0.30319.42000 (64bit)
\\.\DISPLAY1 = AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT
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Version = 1.5.1
Build = 0.0.8366.40920 (2022-11-27 22:44:00Z)
Logfile = C:\Users\User\Desktop\OpenRailsLog.txt
Executable = RunActivity.exe
Argument = -resume
Argument = C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Open Rails\MC-LincolnCoal 2024-09-02 16.52.25.save
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ActRandomizationLevel = 0
ActWeatherRandomizationLevel = (user set) 1
AdhesionFactor = 100
AdhesionFactorChange = 10
AdhesionMovingAverageFilterSize = 10
AdhesionProportionalToWeather = False
Alerter = False
AlerterDisableExternal = True
AntiAliasing = (user set) 4
AuxActionEnabled = False
AvatarURL = http://openrails.org/images/support-logos.jpg
BrakePipeChargingRate = (user set) 500
BreakCouplers = False
CarVibratingLevel = (user set) 2
CorrectQuestionableBrakingParams = (user set) True
CurveSpeedDependent = False
DataLogger = False
DataLoggerSeparator = comma
DataLogMisc = False
DataLogPerformance = True
DataLogPhysics = False
DataLogSpeedUnits = route
DataLogStart = False
DataLogStationStops = False
DataLogSteamPerformance = False
DataLogTrainSpeed = False
DataLogTSContents = 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
DataLogTSInterval = 10
DayAmbientLight = 20
DirectXFeatureLevel = 10_0
DisableTCSScripts = (user set) True
DistantMountains = True
DistantMountainsViewingDistance = 40000
DoubleWire = False
DynamicShadows = True
EvaluationFilename = OpenRailsEvaluation.txt
ExternalSoundPassThruPercent = (user set) 40
FullScreen = True
GraduatedRelease = False
HotStart = True
IsModeActivity = True
Language =
Letterbox2DCab = False
LODBias = 0
LODViewingExtension = True
Logging = True
LoggingFilename = OpenRailsLog.txt
LoggingPath = C:\Users\User\Desktop
Menu_Selection = (user set) C:\MECoast-main, C:\MECoast-main\ROUTES\MidEastCoast, C:\MECoast-main\ROUTES\MidEastCoast\ACTIVITIES\MC-LincolnCoal.act, , , , , ,
ModelInstancing = True
Multiplayer = False
Multiplayer_Host = 127.0.0.1
Multiplayer_Port = 30000
Multiplayer_UpdateInterval = 10
Multiplayer_User = User
MultiplayerClient = False
MultiplayerServer = False
NoDieselEngineStart = False
NoForcedRedAtStationStops = False
OpenDoorsInAITrains = False
OSDCarsState = 1
OSDLocationsState = (user set) 3
PerformanceTuner = False
PerformanceTunerTarget = 60
PrecipitationBoxHeight = 100
PrecipitationBoxLength = 500
PrecipitationBoxWidth = 500
PressureUnit = Automatic
Profiling = False
ProfilingFrameCount = 0
ProfilingTime = 0
ReplayPauseBeforeEnd = True
ReplayPauseBeforeEndS = 0
RetainersOnAllCars = False
ScreenshotPath = C:\Users\User\Pictures\Open Rails
ShadowAllShapes = (user set) True
ShadowMapBlur = True
ShadowMapCount = 4
ShadowMapDistance = 2500
ShadowMapResolution = 1024
ShowAvatar = False
ShowErrorDialogs = True
SignalLightGlow = False
SimpleControlPhysics = (user set) True
SoundDetailLevel = 5
SoundVolumePercent = (user set) 80
SpeedControl = (user set) False
SuperElevationGauge = 1435
SuperElevationMinLen = 50
SuppressConfirmations = (user set) True
SuppressShapeWarnings = True
TrackMonitorDisplayMode = 0
TTCreateTrainOnPoolUnderflow = True
TTOutputTimetableFullEvaluation = False
TTOutputTimetableTrainInfo = False
TTUseRestartDelays = True
TunnelResistanceDependent = False
Units = (user set) UK
Use3DCab = (user set) False
UseAdvancedAdhesion = (user set) False
UseLargeAddressAware = True
UseLocationPassingPaths = False
UseMSTSEnv = False
UseSuperElevation = 0
VerboseConfigurationMessages = False
VerticalSync = True
ViewingDistance = (user set) 5000
ViewingFOV = 45
WebServerPort = 2150
WindowGlass = (user set) True
WindowPosition_Activity = 50, 50
WindowPosition_CarOperations = (user set) 50, 40
WindowPosition_Compass = (user set) 49, 0
WindowPosition_ComposeMessage = (user set) 40, 47
WindowPosition_DriverAid = 100, 100
WindowPosition_Help = (user set) 40, 50
WindowPosition_MultiPlayer = (user set) 100, 0
WindowPosition_NextStation = 0, 100
WindowPosition_Quit = (user set) 51, 50
WindowPosition_Switch = (user set) 0, 83
WindowPosition_TrackMonitor = (user set) 100, 100
WindowPosition_TrainDpu = (user set) 100, 50
WindowPosition_TrainDriving = (user set) 100, 0
WindowPosition_TrainList = 100, 0
WindowPosition_TrainOperations = (user set) 29, 42
WindowSize = 1024x768
WindResistanceDependent = False
Wire = True
WorldObjectDensity = 49
YoungestVersionFailedToRestore = 0.0
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Mode = Resume
Route = MIDEAST COAST 1.7.0 (9 JUNE 2024)-WITHAM LOOP & THE NEW LINE
Activity = MC-LincolnCoal (C:\MECoast-main\ROUTES\MidEastCoast\ACTIVITIES\MC-LincolnCoal.act)
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Error: System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
at Orts.Simulation.Traveller..ctor(TrackSectionsFile tSectionDat, TrackNode[] trackNodes, BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Traveller.cs:line 360
at Orts.Simulation.Physics.Train..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Physics\Train.cs:line 692
at Orts.Simulation.AIs.AITrain..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf, AI airef) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\AIs\AITrain.cs:line 224
at Orts.Simulation.AIs.AI..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf, Boolean autopilot) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\AIs\AI.cs:line 268
at Orts.Simulation.Simulator.RestoreTrains(BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Simulator.cs:line 1581
at Orts.Simulation.Simulator.Restore(BinaryReader inf, String pathName, Single initialTileX, Single initialTileZ, CancellationToken cancellation) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Simulator.cs:line 542
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Resume(UserSettings settings, String[] args) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 466
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Load() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 237
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.Load() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 160
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.DoLoad() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 140
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.LoaderThread() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 111
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart()


Loader: Time = 00:00:11.8327037 ms
Loader: Expected = 0 bytes
Loader: Actual = 222,757,739 bytes
Loader: Difference = 222,757,739 bytes (∞)

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Post  slipperman12 Mon 02 Sep 2024, 6:25 pm

Hi Nick,
Your last post seems to include a full log but the error message is totally different to the one you posted previously!
This time, you seem to be running the Stable version (Version    = 1.5.1  Build      = 0.0.8366.40920 (2022-11-27 22:44:00Z).

Unfortunately, the message doesn't help identify the actual problem.  It may be within one of the stock items but as the activity only uses stock included with the route and I have no such problem, I have no idea what it can be!
Have you made any changes to the default stock, even to the files in an OpenRails sub-folder ?

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : Looking closely at the error message, the final (ie top) line of the thread is :
at Orts.Simulation.Traveller..ctor(TrackSectionsFile tSectionDat, TrackNode[] trackNodes, BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails
This appears to refer to the tsection.dat file.  Did you change that between initially running the activity and attempting to resume from a save?


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Post  niknak Mon 02 Sep 2024, 7:19 pm

Hi Ged,

I hadn't noticed the error message had changed to be honest. No, absolutely nothing has been changed or added/deleted to the route since I downloaded it again this morning.

I've had this problem with error messages on several UK routes which only seem to occur whenever swb wagons are involved. It's obviously a problem with my setup somewhere as I've never seen any complaints from any other users.

I can still run acts involving swb wagons in the player consist - It just means I have to run the activity in one go and pause if necessary, rather than save and resume.

Anyway many thanks as always for your help Ged. Smile

Regards,

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Post  pgh60 Mon 02 Sep 2024, 8:45 pm

Hi Ged thanks,hope you are also keeping well but so far i am having no joy with the banking loco in this activity i am running the same versions of you both in the Route and Open Rails but after stopping at Haxey Staion just short of the exit signal and making sure the the train is clear of the of the rear points the banking loco reverses through the platform and then disappears into Haxey banker siding in the distance, then i wait for quite a while but it never appears to reconnect.I must be doing something wrong but i have no idea what, just about ready to give up.Thanks again.Peter.

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Post  slipperman12 Mon 02 Sep 2024, 8:53 pm

Hi Nick,
That doesn't make much sense!!

However, I notice, from your log, that you have : DataLogPerformance = True
Mine is set to 'False' - it could be that yours is choking the program with messages, particularly regarding swb wagons.
I suggest that you change yours to 'False' and retry resuming the activity. It might not be the answer, but it's all I can, logically, suggest at the moment!

Also, you've got ActWeatherRandomizationLevel set to 1 - mine is 0 (zero). Yours might be creating extra performance messages.

Cheers,
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Post  slipperman12 Mon 02 Sep 2024, 9:08 pm

Hi Peter,
The banker should come out of its siding and, gently, couple up to the back of the Player consist, as Roger showed in his screenshot.
I have no idea what you could be doing wrong!

AH - I've just had a lightbulb moment !!  If you see the banker reversing through the station and going back into its siding, then I think you're running very late !!  You should have stopped at the Haxey signal at about 13:25.

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Post  niknak Tue 03 Sep 2024, 8:47 am

Hi Ged,

I've just tried again with the data logging off and now have a different error message! (too many bytes)

This is at least providing me with a certain amount of entertainment Smile

Regards,

Nick


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Processor = AMD Ryzen 5 4500 6-Core Processor (12 threads, 6 cores, 3.6 GHz) (L1 - Cache 384 KB) (L2 - Cache 3072 KB) (L3 - Cache 8192 KB)
Memory = 15.9 GB
Video = AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT (4.0 GB RAM) (amdkmdag 31.0.24033.1003)
Display = \\.\DISPLAY1 (1920 x 1080, 32-bit, primary, 0 x 0)
Sound = AMD Streaming Audio Device (amdsafd 1.0.0.9)
Sound = Realtek High Definition Audio (rtkvhd64 6.0.9240.1)
Sound = AMD High Definition Audio Device (atihdwt6 10.0.1.30)
Disk = C: (Local Fixed Disk, NTFS, 930.7 GB, 761.3 GB free)
OS = Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-bit (10.0.22631)
Runtimes = 2.0.50727 SP2 3.0 SP2 3.5 SP1 4 Client 4 Full 4.0 Client
Runtime = 4.0.30319.42000 (64bit)
\\.\DISPLAY1 = AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT
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Version = 1.5.1
Build = 0.0.8366.40920 (2022-11-27 22:44:00Z)
Logfile = C:\Users\User\Desktop\OpenRailsLog.txt
Executable = RunActivity.exe
Argument = -resume
Argument = C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Open Rails\MC-LincolnCoal 2024-09-03 08.41.48.save
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ActRandomizationLevel = 0
ActWeatherRandomizationLevel = (user set) 1
AdhesionFactor = 100
AdhesionFactorChange = 10
AdhesionMovingAverageFilterSize = 10
AdhesionProportionalToWeather = False
Alerter = False
AlerterDisableExternal = True
AntiAliasing = (user set) 4
AuxActionEnabled = False
AvatarURL = http://openrails.org/images/support-logos.jpg
BrakePipeChargingRate = (user set) 500
BreakCouplers = False
CarVibratingLevel = (user set) 2
CorrectQuestionableBrakingParams = (user set) True
CurveSpeedDependent = False
DataLogger = False
DataLoggerSeparator = comma
DataLogMisc = False
DataLogPerformance = (user set) False
DataLogPhysics = False
DataLogSpeedUnits = route
DataLogStart = False
DataLogStationStops = False
DataLogSteamPerformance = False
DataLogTrainSpeed = False
DataLogTSContents = 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
DataLogTSInterval = 10
DayAmbientLight = 20
DirectXFeatureLevel = 10_0
DisableTCSScripts = (user set) True
DistantMountains = True
DistantMountainsViewingDistance = 40000
DoubleWire = False
DynamicShadows = True
EvaluationFilename = OpenRailsEvaluation.txt
ExternalSoundPassThruPercent = (user set) 40
FullScreen = True
GraduatedRelease = False
HotStart = True
IsModeActivity = True
Language =
Letterbox2DCab = False
LODBias = 0
LODViewingExtension = True
Logging = True
LoggingFilename = OpenRailsLog.txt
LoggingPath = C:\Users\User\Desktop
Menu_Selection = (user set) C:\MECoast-main, C:\MECoast-main\ROUTES\MidEastCoast, C:\MECoast-main\ROUTES\MidEastCoast\ACTIVITIES\MC-LincolnCoal.act, , , , , ,
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Multiplayer = False
Multiplayer_Host = 127.0.0.1
Multiplayer_Port = 30000
Multiplayer_UpdateInterval = 10
Multiplayer_User = User
MultiplayerClient = False
MultiplayerServer = False
NoDieselEngineStart = False
NoForcedRedAtStationStops = False
OpenDoorsInAITrains = False
OSDCarsState = 1
OSDLocationsState = (user set) 3
PerformanceTuner = False
PerformanceTunerTarget = 60
PrecipitationBoxHeight = 100
PrecipitationBoxLength = 500
PrecipitationBoxWidth = 500
PressureUnit = Automatic
Profiling = False
ProfilingFrameCount = 0
ProfilingTime = 0
ReplayPauseBeforeEnd = True
ReplayPauseBeforeEndS = 0
RetainersOnAllCars = False
ScreenshotPath = C:\Users\User\Pictures\Open Rails
ShadowAllShapes = (user set) True
ShadowMapBlur = True
ShadowMapCount = 4
ShadowMapDistance = 2500
ShadowMapResolution = 1024
ShowAvatar = False
ShowErrorDialogs = True
SignalLightGlow = False
SimpleControlPhysics = (user set) True
SoundDetailLevel = 5
SoundVolumePercent = (user set) 80
SpeedControl = (user set) False
SuperElevationGauge = 1435
SuperElevationMinLen = 50
SuppressConfirmations = (user set) True
SuppressShapeWarnings = True
TrackMonitorDisplayMode = 0
TTCreateTrainOnPoolUnderflow = True
TTOutputTimetableFullEvaluation = False
TTOutputTimetableTrainInfo = False
TTUseRestartDelays = True
TunnelResistanceDependent = False
Units = (user set) UK
Use3DCab = (user set) False
UseAdvancedAdhesion = (user set) False
UseLargeAddressAware = True
UseLocationPassingPaths = False
UseMSTSEnv = False
UseSuperElevation = 0
VerboseConfigurationMessages = False
VerticalSync = True
ViewingDistance = (user set) 5000
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WebServerPort = 2150
WindowGlass = (user set) True
WindowPosition_Activity = 50, 50
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WindowPosition_ComposeMessage = (user set) 40, 47
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Wire = True
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Error: System.FormatException: Too many bytes in what should have been a 7 bit encoded Int32.
at System.IO.BinaryReader.Read7BitEncodedInt()
at System.IO.BinaryReader.ReadString()
at Orts.Simulation.Physics.Train..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Physics\Train.cs:line 672
at Orts.Simulation.AIs.AITrain..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf, AI airef) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\AIs\AITrain.cs:line 224
at Orts.Simulation.AIs.AI..ctor(Simulator simulator, BinaryReader inf, Boolean autopilot) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\AIs\AI.cs:line 268
at Orts.Simulation.Simulator.RestoreTrains(BinaryReader inf) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Simulator.cs:line 1581
at Orts.Simulation.Simulator.Restore(BinaryReader inf, String pathName, Single initialTileX, Single initialTileZ, CancellationToken cancellation) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\Orts.Simulation\Simulation\Simulator.cs:line 542
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Resume(UserSettings settings, String[] args) in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 466
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.GameStateRunActivity.Load() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\GameStateRunActivity.cs:line 237
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.Load() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 160
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.DoLoad() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 140
at Orts.Viewer3D.Processes.LoaderProcess.LoaderThread() in C:\Jenkins\jobs\Open Rails Stable\workspace\Source\RunActivity\Viewer3D\Processes\LoaderProcess.cs:line 111
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart()


Loader: Time = 00:00:27.5348113 ms
Loader: Expected = 0 bytes
Loader: Actual = 222,634,834 bytes
Loader: Difference = 222,634,834 bytes (∞)

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Post  slipperman12 Tue 03 Sep 2024, 2:00 pm

Hi Nick,
Well, that's certainly one I've never seen before!!
These are my initial thoughts -
(a) The only place in a .eng file which contains binary values is the Lights section. Are you absolutely certain that you haven't changed the lights parameter values on any loco used in this activity? This may be in the 'normal' .eng file or in the OpenRails sub-folder.
(b) A 'glitch' could have occurred in your system when you were taking the save, which means the data wasn't stored correctly.

Are you still selecting to 'Resume' from the same save taken before this problem started?
If so, I suggest that you delete all the saves for this activity and start it from the beginning again.
If it runs OK, try taking a save, then resume from it. If it still works OK, continue with the activity until you reach the point where the 'problem save' was taken and save this run. Try resuming from it.

Cheers,
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Post  niknak Tue 03 Sep 2024, 2:22 pm

Hi Ged,

Yes that error message is a new one on me too!

To answer your questions: Nothing has been changed on the route. I did a fresh download of it yesterday morning then tried a save and resume on the activity immediately.

I think the 'glitch' theory whilst saving is the most likely. It's puzzling though as it ONLY occurs if swb wagons are present in the player consist. I've run hundreds of activities on various routes of which 95% are N American so have bogie freight wagons and there's never any problem when resuming a save. Whereas on any UK route with activities involving swb wagons in a player consist I always have a problem.

As a final note, all the saves and resumes were 'fresh' ones - once a resume failed I deleted it and started again with a new save.

Anyway many thanks for your patience and help. I've a feeling I'm going to have to stick with US routes! Smile

Regards

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Post  slipperman12 Tue 03 Sep 2024, 3:58 pm

Hi Nick,
That doesn't make much sense!  SWB wagons are common-place on UK routes and I've never heard of them causing any problems when running both MSTS and OR routes with Open Rails.

Comparing our OR Logs, there are 27 different settings but only 10 which might have an effect. The list is shown below :

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I've marked those that I'm pretty sure aren't relevant with an 'x', but I don't know what OSDCarsState is!!

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT: Apologies!! To add an image to a post, you should use the 'Host an Image' icon, which is 16th in from the right hand side, NOT the 15th, for which you have to give a URL!


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Post  niknak Tue 03 Sep 2024, 4:42 pm

THAT'S IT!!! You've cracked it Ged Smile I changed nearly all the entries you kindly highlighted where our settings differed and no more crash when resuming using either v1-5-1 or the latest New Year v155. Later I'll put them all back to the original settings one by one until I get a crash again and can thus narrow it down.

I totally take your point about the swb wagons but nevertheless the problems were only occurring for me when these were in a player consist.

Anyway a thousand thanks for all your hard work - I can (hopefully) now enjoy several UK routes that were previously almost unusable.

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Post  niknak Tue 03 Sep 2024, 5:07 pm

Hi Ged,

Found it! Smile "Simple Controls and Physics" was the culprit....

That'll teach me to try and take the easy way out when driving a loco.

Thanks again.

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Post  slipperman12 Tue 03 Sep 2024, 6:26 pm

Hi Nick,
Very pleased you've located the source of the problem!
I can confirm your findings - it seems that the problem is in the 'Save' function and not the 'Resume' function.

Evidence
I changed the setting of Simple Controls & Physics to 'True' and selected 'resume' for a save taken a couple of days ago. It worked OK.
I then started the activity from the start and saved after 5 minutes. Restarted OR and selected 'resume' from that save. 'Fatal error' message was displayed with the log showing :
Error: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Will you report the problem to the OR Team?

Cheers,
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Post  niknak Tue 03 Sep 2024, 6:55 pm

Hi Ged,

Yes I will definitely point out our findings on the Elvas Tower site. Can I ask if the activity you mentioned is using swb wagons in the player consist?

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Post  slipperman12 Tue 03 Sep 2024, 7:24 pm

Hi Nick,
The player uses the 'normal' BR hopper wagons.  They do have a longer wheelbase than the older wagons.  How have you identified that SWB wagons are the cause of the problem?

I've done some more tests and the 'fatal error' message is also displayed when using ORNYMG v155 and OR Testing vT.1.5.1-947 although the actual message is different in each case -

Stable  - Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Testing - Unable to read beyond the end of the stream
MG155 - Index is outside bounds of array

Before anything is reported, I think we need to identify, as closely as possible, what stock is causing the problem.  I'm going to do some more tests and will come back.

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Post  niknak Tue 03 Sep 2024, 7:39 pm

Hi Ged,

Understood. I'll await your findings - Mine so far are that it only seemed to be swb wagons that affected my installation.

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Post  slipperman12 Tue 03 Sep 2024, 9:14 pm

Hi Nick,
Interim Report (!)
It's the brakevan which is causing the problem.
Tried the following :
1. loco and tender - no problem
2. loco and tender and brakevan - fatal error
3. loco and tender and one hopper wagon - no problem
4. loco and tender and full rake of hopper wagons - no problem
5. as 4. plus MSTS brakevan from MidEast Plus - fatal error.
6. as 4. plus a duplicate of the last hopper wagon (to check if it's the number of wagons) - no problem
7. as 4. plus unfitted version of OR brakevan - fatal error
8. as 4. plus unfitted version of MEP MSTS brakevan - fatal error.

Tomorrow, I'll see if I can find a different brakevan (I think the MEP and MEC versions are basically the same model).

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Post  niknak Wed 04 Sep 2024, 8:55 am

Hi Ged,

Good to know you're managing to track down the problem. I always wondered if it was something to do with the braking system? I remember having a problem with Making Tracks 'London and South East' route - The 'Redhill to Norwood Departmental' activity starts with a loco picking up 3 htv wagons (no brake van) and I used to get a crash if saving and resuming after I'd coupled up. I'll see if I can find the cd.

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Post  niknak Wed 04 Sep 2024, 10:42 am

Hi Ged,

Please ignore the reference to the LSE route in my last post - Upon double checking I find that all works ok with no errors. BUT..... have you tried the MEC's 'Brake Van Special' activity? The player loco picks up a consist of nothing but brake vans and yet I can save and resume with 'Simple Controls and Physics' ticked... The mystery deepens.

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Post  slipperman12 Wed 04 Sep 2024, 4:39 pm

Hi Nick,
I have now tried the Brakevan Special activity. Your result is particularly odd because I get a different 'fatal error' (The path is not of a legal form) !!

Going back to the LincolnCoal activity ....
I changed the brake van for a similar, but old model, from the Dorset Coast CD (!) which was from a different author. This time there was no problem resuming from a save.

Thinking it may be the model/s from that particular author (which includes D506 and D507 vehicles), I removed those from the Brakevan Special loose consist list but I still got the path fatal error.

There's a supplied consist comprising 69003 and 13 brakevans so I ran that in Explore mode. Took a save, restarted and resumed. Same fatal error.
Replaced all the brakevans with the same number of loaded hoppers (from LincolnCoal consist) and repeated the last test. This time there was no error on selecting 'resume'.

Now, I'll check all the brakevans in the Brakevan Special activity - if I can identify any others by the author of D506 and D507. If so, I'll remove them and retest.

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Post  pgh60 Wed 04 Sep 2024, 4:59 pm

Hi Ged thanks you were right about running late, this time i arrived at Haxey Station at 13.30 the banker was in the siding and coupled up and everything ran okay after that.Thanks again to yourself and Roger for helping me to sought my problem out.Peter.

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Post  niknak Wed 04 Sep 2024, 5:05 pm

Hi Ged,

I realised that I'd run the test with the brake van special act this morning using autopilot - which of course overrode the fact I'd ticked the 'simple' box. Just tried it again without autopilot and get the error "Unable to read beyond the end of a stream". That's using New Year v155. Apologies for the confusion.

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Post  slipperman12 Wed 04 Sep 2024, 6:07 pm

Hi Peter & Nick,
@Peter : Glad you've got it sorted Smile

@ Nick : OK mate Smile  I have to keep checking that I've set Simple Controls and Physics to the option I'm actually testing!!

Also, I'm sure it's an Open Rails problem because each version (Stable, Testing and ORNYMG) gives a different 'fatal' message!
However, I'll continue checking the brakevans just in case something comes to light, which we can put to the OR Team.

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : All the brakevans used in the Brakevan Special activity were created by the same author!! I'll now test each one individually.


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Post  pgh60 Wed 04 Sep 2024, 8:13 pm

Hi Nick no problem about the thread hope your problem was solved.Peter.

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Post  slipperman12 Wed 04 Sep 2024, 8:53 pm

Hi Nick,
Each of the brakevans causes a 'fatal' error to be displayed when resume is selected, although the actual reason varies between "Unable to read beyond the end of the stream" and "Object reference is not set to an instance of an object".

For the D506 brakevan, I then replaced the OR version with the original MSTS version. This also caused a 'fatal error' although this time it was "Index was outside bounds of array".

From this, it certainly looks like an Open Rails problem but I have one last test to do.  This may not be until tomorrow!

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Post  niknak Thu 05 Sep 2024, 11:01 am

Hi Ged,

Not sure if this helps but I've just tried the 'Dover Goods' act on the South East Steam route and the brake van in question which causes the error when in 'Simple' mode is 'BRexSECR_Brakevan_6w'. Nor sure if this one is already on your list from your own investigating with the MEC stock.

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Post  niknak Thu 05 Sep 2024, 11:40 am

Hi Ged,

Hmm I've just tried the 'Dover Goods' act again and have discovered that I get a 'The Path Is Not Of A Legal Form' message after picking up the first rake of wagons and then saving in ' Simple' mode. This is BEFORE a brake van is involved. The act resumes correctly when not in Simple mode. I've checked it twice. This is the loose consist involved.

Regards,

Nick

Name ( "Loose consist." )
Serial ( 105 )
MaxVelocity ( 0.00000 0.00100 )
NextWagonUID ( 9 )
Durability ( 1.00000 )
Wagon (
WagonData ( exPO_5Plank_Open_Barrels UK_Open )
UiD ( 0 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( exLNE_6p_D91_F_Barrels UK_Open )
UiD ( 1 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( exPO_5Plank_Open_Barrels UK_Open )
UiD ( 2 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( exLNE_6p_D91_F_Barrels UK_Open )
UiD ( 3 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( exPO_5Plank_Open_Barrels UK_Open )
UiD ( 4 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( exSR_D1380_5p_2shoeU_Chalk exSR_D1380_5Plank_Open )
UiD ( 5 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( exSR_D1380_5p_2shoeU_Chalk exSR_D1380_5Plank_Open )
UiD ( 6 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( BR_D108_Mineral_Chalk BR_D108_Mineral )
UiD ( 7 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( BR_D108_Mineral_Chalk BR_D108_Mineral )
UiD ( 8 )
)
)
)
Direction ( 0 )
ID ( 32771 )
Tile ( -6031 14906 -714.08 -302.828 )


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Post  slipperman12 Thu 05 Sep 2024, 10:17 pm

Hi Nick,
Apologies for the rather late reply!
The more testing I do, the more confused I get!!

The problem appears to be caused by a combination of data but it only seems to involve brakevans from a particular author.  
I have checked the shape files of all the brakevans included in the 13 brakevans consist and can't see anything amiss.

I copied a loco and a D506 brakevan from MEP into MEC.  
Using the MEP loco with the MEP brakevan and using the MEP loco with the MEC brakevan, no error was shown on 'Resume'.  
Using the MEC loco with the MEP brakevan and the MEC loco with the MEC brakevan resulted in a 'fatal error' being shown on 'Resume' although the actual messages are different.

This would seem to point to a problem with the MEC loco (69003) but using it with a brakevan created by a different author resulted in 'Resume' operating correctly!

I don't think I can do any more, but will have a look at the details you have posted in case something else comes to light.

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Post  slipperman12 Fri 06 Sep 2024, 7:45 pm

Hi Nick,
I have started a new thread for the save/resume problem because it isn't only concerning the MidEast Coast route.

https://tsforum.forumotion.net/t1789-problems-with-resuming-after-save-when-using-simple-controls-physics#22025

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