Ice Train

Now I know I'm going to word this wrongly, but I have a problem with "STP_ICE£ 403"

Upon trying to pull away you can put the Regulator all the way to 100%, but it will not attempt to work,and the Train driving info states "Throttle 0%",but if you press for Auto Pilot it takes off like a Rocket !

So my question is Why doesn't it register when you open the throttle either by the Mouse or Keyboard,and in what file should I look for "Throttle (Control) please....Neanderthal.
P.S. every other train's throttle works as normal.

Hi Roger,
The throttle controls are in the .eng file, towards the end of the file, under EngineControllers.

It's possible that Open Rails doesn't like something in that file!  Is there anything relevant in the log?

I don't know if I've got it in my archives - is the Ice Train available for download anywhere?

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : OK, I think I've found it on thetrain.de.  Have you applied the update?
I don't know if this makes the throttle work in OR because I've not tried it yet!

EDIT 2 : I wonder if you're running the same model as I've just downloaded.  I have no problem running it :

This is 'as downloaded' and without the upgrade.
There appears to be a problem with the brakes on your version - the Train Brake entry shows BC NaN (which means 'not a number').
Note : Mine shows 'mph' instead of 'kph', probably because I'm using an electrified version of the default Settle & Carlisle route.

Hello Ged, I've been on "thetrain.de", but couldn't even find it let alone an update.What section does it come under please as I don't know my way around that site.

Is this the part of the file I'm meant to be looking at....Roger
Date/time   = 19/09/2024 18:36:36 (2024-09-19 17:36:36Z)
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Hi Roger,
Your OR log shows some warnings for stock other than the ICE3_403, which I have ignored. Your log shows the same ICE3_403 warning/info messages as mine so I don't see any problem there.

There are several .eng files in folder STP_DB_403 but all have the same throttle entries, which match yours - so, no problem there!

I've tried running with the ORNYMG 155, ORNYMG 156.1 (latest) and Stable v1.5.1 - all successful.
I'm running with Simple Controls = False, as you are.

I see you're running at 32bit - may I ask why? I'm sure you're running a 64bit PC.
There's no option to run the Stable version at 32bit or 64bit so I suggest you try that version.

My download was from here : https://the-train.de/downloads/entry-download/4473-ice3-403/?fileID=4699

Cheers,
Ged

Hello Ged,and many thanks, I' don't know why I was running on 32 Bit (I don't even know what it means) But I've altered it to 64bit, = No Difference.
So I downloaded from your Link, and deleted the Ice Train in my sim, installed your link, It now runs perfectly.
So one final question to pick your Brain,If I add a Sim to my Open Rails NewYear MG ORNYMG-Rev. 155. (X86),should it also appear in my ordinary Open Rails 1 5 1
which I assumed should be separate, Hope that makes sense .And if I delete Open Rails will they both disappear ? as I no longer use ordinary OR. ( Oh what I'd give to know what I'm talking about.) Neanderthal

Hi Roger - this time I do mean you!!,

Anything added to one Open Rails version is automatically added to all the others on your system.

Regards,

Stephen

Thank you Stephen, I was having trouble on how to word the question..Roger.

Hi Roger,
Stephen hasn't answered your last question!

By "delete Open Rails", I assume you mean delete its folder.  If so, you will not lose all the installations in the Content list because that is held in the Registry.

There is no such thing as 'Ordinary OR' !!  You can have as many separate OR versions available as you want.  I have four - Stable v1.5.1, the current Testing version, the current MG version and the latest Unstable version - they all display the same Contents list.
Note that if you save an activity while using one version, it may not be possible to resume that activity using a different version.

If I have, or somebody reports, trouble with any of the last 3 versions, I'd always try using the Stable version.  

Cheers,
Ged

Thank you Ged, another question sorted, Roger.

Oh well I give up, just went back on the Ice Train, and it will not run and giving the same fault as before....Sadly Act deleted !

Hi Roger,
Sorry, mate, but I don't know why you're having a problem!
I've just installed the Wupper Express 11 route ( we11.zip), followed by the activities and basic stock (we11act1.zip) and the additional stock (we11stockadd.zip which includes the STP_DB_ICE3_403), all from trainsim.com.
Started the same activity as you ran and successfully started the train.

Did you apply the different braking parameters as supplied in the STP_DB_403-CSR.zip file? I didn't, but if you did, which did you select, !Air_brakes or !EP_brakes and did you replace the cabview (.cvf) file?

Cheers,
Ged

I hadn't altered the Braking but have just done so to "Air Brakes", I have also just altered the Cabiew ! not sure why though.
Added the two new Consists, Prayed, went on to "Ice Train to Munich" and it goes (and stops) great.
I haven't a clue as to why it wouldn't run before, something I'd put in the wrong place probably.

So another big thankyou to you Ged and Stephen, as I was