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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Thu 11 Feb 2016, 10:46 pm

Does anyone know of a working fix for power cars missing from Class 105 sets, when MEP is run in OR (they work fine in MSTS).

Also is there a solution to incorrect functionality of UK Distant and combined Home\Distant semaphore signals.

Many instances of this problem in a few UK routes, including Thames - Trent v2, Bala Hub v4.2, S&DJR Line, to name a couple.

Any help would be gratefully received.

Mike.
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Post  StephenRWells Fri 12 Feb 2016, 11:48 am

Hi Mike,

For the Class 105 DTCL cars the problem appears to be the lack of exhaust scripts in the section:-
Engine ( MEP-Cravens105
Effects
(
DieselSpecialEffects
(

Copy this complete section in from the DMBS, then in the DieselSmokeEffects section reduce everything to just above zero and you should now have your DTCL visible.

As far as the Distant and Home/Distant signals are concerned this is do with the signal scripting which is beyond me. This could also explain why some signal lights are invisible on their posts - both semaphore and electric.

I hope that I have helped with part of your problem,

Stephen
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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Fri 12 Feb 2016, 1:42 pm

Hi Stephen,

many thanks for taking the time to help.

I will give that a try with the 105 thanks buddy.

In regards the semaphore Distant and Combined sigs.

In the past i have posted bug reports on the OR reporting site.

Posted on Elvas Tower, but i don't think there is much interest in the functionality of UK semaphores.

Same as you with the scripts Stephen, i have tried fiddling with them, but to no avail.

Thank you again for your help with the Class 105 problem.

regards,
Mike.
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Post  rufuskins Fri 12 Feb 2016, 4:18 pm

I would like to point out that the DTCL unit in a Class 105 set was a driving trailer and therefore had no engine and consequentially no exhaust!


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Post  StephenRWells Fri 12 Feb 2016, 4:48 pm

Hi Alec,

Perfectly true, but all the same if you are to drive a DTCL both MSTS and Open Rails expects the engine to be there so that there is also a working cabview present. Open Rails also expects working exhausts to be present - hence my solution.

Regards,

Stephen
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Post  slipperman12 Fri 12 Feb 2016, 7:14 pm

Hi Stephen,
The neatest way to sort out the Class 105 DTCL is to remove the Diesel Effects section completely - after all, it shouldn't be there for a non-powered vehicle! Open Rails will then accept it, although I can't get much speed out of it!!

Cheers,
Ged

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Post  rufuskins Fri 12 Feb 2016, 7:16 pm

I know that for a two car set with the DTCL leading it is necessary to provide it with an engine as I did for the many DMU sets I painted for UKTS upload. However I didn't realise that OR throws a wobbly if a drivable unit doesn't have an exhaust? Shocked Shocked Shocked


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Post  slipperman12 Fri 12 Feb 2016, 8:08 pm

Hi Alec,
It appears that Open Rails objects to a Diesel Effects section with no effects!!

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : While we're discussing the Class 105 DTCL, it appears to be using the wrong sms files.  It should be using the DMUengTrailer.sms and DMUcabTrailer.sms instead of DMUeng.sms and DMUcab.sms. Also, the DMUcab.sms has no horn!

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Post  dforrest Sat 13 Feb 2016, 11:06 am

I raised the issue at Elvas Tower again and this was the response:

There are several small quirks in the signaling framework that need ironed out. I haven't yet taken the time to determine how well and when the dist_multi_sig_mr() function may be mis-behaving in OR, but another thread was just started talking about it, too. I am hoping the things I've already noticed won't be too hard to fix. It isn't just UK absolute block semaphores that use functions like dist_multi_sig_mr(). My American signals make extensive use of it, too.

This is at http://www.elvastower.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28215-incorrect-functionality-of-uk-distant-and-combined-homedistant-semaphore-signals/ for those who have access to the Elvas Tower forums.


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Post  rufuskins Sat 13 Feb 2016, 1:29 pm

Just to clarify the situation with the trailer type units for FG DMU sets that I uploaded to UKTS; here is what I did.

1. When the Motor unit was leading it was defined as an "Engine" and was provided with diesel exhaust effects, whilst the Trailer unit was defined as a "Carriage" and obviously no diesel exhaust effects were provided.

2. When the Trailer unit was leading it was redefined as an "Engine" and included the diesel exhaust effects and the Motor unit was redefined as a "Carriage" and hence no diesel exhaust effects were provided.

I would therefore imagine that those uploaded to UKTS by myself ought to work in Open Rails.


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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Sun 14 Feb 2016, 1:43 pm

I couldn't understand where to insert your line of code in the 105 trailers, sorry Stephen.

Must be getting old or senile or both Smile

In regards the Distant signals, the response on Elvas Towers, was better than i have ever elicited from them.

Spent about 2 years reporting the problem on their bug reporting software and was always told it needed sorting out in the signal script files.

Which is no help at all to someone who does not understand the scripts.

All i know as a BR apprentice i had to spend a part of my time learning with the Signalling Section and so have a good grounding in how the real world works.

Mike.
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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Sun 14 Feb 2016, 1:44 pm

Sorry guys just spotted double post.

Mike.


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Post  StephenRWells Sun 14 Feb 2016, 6:45 pm

Hi Mike,

Using the MEP-Cravens105\MEP-Cravens105R as a starting point scroll down the eng. file until you find the last light entry; ignore the lines coloured RED and copy and paste the middle section into your eng. file
Light (
comment( AI Red Right )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Control ( 1 )
Service ( 2 )
Unit ( 3 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( ccff0000 )
Position ( 0.97 1.75 -9.15 )
Azimuth ( -180.0 -180.0 -180.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.25 )
Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
)
)
)
)
Sound ( "..\\..\\common.MEP\\1st_Gen_DMU\\dmueng.sms" )
)

Engine ( MEP-Cravens105R

Effects
(
DieselSpecialEffects
(
comment
(
the format of these little blocks is as follow:

offset.x offset.y offset.z
normal.x normal.y normal.z
width in metres

defining the offset from the shape pivot point
where steam / smoke should appear, the direction
it should go and the width of the nozzle
)

Exhaust1
(
.600 3.900 9.1
0 1 0
0.1
)
Exhaust2
(
-0.600 3.900 9.1
0 1 0
0.1
)

)
)

Wagon ( MEP-Cravens105R )
Type ( Diesel )
MaxPower ( 300hp )
MaxForce ( 70kN )
MaxContinuousForce ( 70kN )
MaxVelocity ( 70mph )
WheelRadius ( 18.54in )
NumWheels ( 1 )
MaxTemperature ( 120 )
MaxOilPressure ( 90 )
MaxDieselLevel( 500gals
)

This should, at least make your DTCL visible.

Ged is quite right in that the wrong sms files have been used - the only advantage is that you can hear what you are driving.

Regards,

Stephen
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Post  slipperman12 Sun 14 Feb 2016, 7:01 pm

Hi Stephen,
Even with the 'Trailer' sms files used, the sound from the other vehicle can still be heard and when viewed from outside, it's more realistic as the engine sounds only come from the powered vehicle!

Cheers,
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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Mon 15 Feb 2016, 1:55 pm

Hi again Stephen,

thanks very much for the further information and help.

Apart from doing it for me, i don't think there is much more you could have done buddy. Very Happy

Much thanks and appreciation again.

Mike.
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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Sat 09 Sep 2017, 2:14 pm

If you are still around Stephen. Very Happy

I re-installed MSTS, OR & MEP today after many months of not running any of it.

You're DTCL fix worked a treat, thank you. Cool

Much appreciated,
Mike.
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Post  StephenRWells Sun 10 Sep 2017, 5:15 pm

Hi Mike,

Glad to have been of help and that all is now working properly.

Regards,

Stephen
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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Sat 24 Oct 2020, 10:04 am

Thank goodness this was still here, re-installed OR & MEP and couldn't remember the fix. BashHead lol!

Thanks,
Mike.
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Post  darwins Sun 25 Oct 2020, 11:46 am

In Open Rails driving trailers can be set up as unpowered locomotives (the OR log file will show an error because they have no powered wheels but they work without presenting any problem).

Here is an eng file for a class 105 DTCL

Code:
SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( Class105_DTCL_E56416_BRBf
 
Comment(* Class105_DTCL *)

Comment(* Open Rails physics by Darwin S *)

Comment (* OpenRails does not support Driving Trailers *)

Comment (***Wagon Section***)

Comment (******************** General Information **********************
                Included in this section - Type, Shape, Size, Mass, etc
         ***************************************************************)

 Type ( Engine )
 WagonShape ( Class105_DTCL_E56416_BRBf.S )
 Size ( 2.85m 3.82m 18.3m )
 Mass ( 24t-uk ) Comment (* Tare 23t-uk *)
 NumWheels ( 4 )
 WheelRadius ( 18in )

 Comment (************************* Coupler Information ************************
                Included in this section - Type, Spring, Buffer, Velocity, etc
         **********************************************************************)

   Coupling (
     Type ( chain )
       Spring (
        Stiffness ( 1e6N/m 5e6N/m )
        Break ( 1220kN 1220kN )
        r0 ( -5cm 0cm )))

Comment (******************************* Brakes *********************************************
                Included in this section - Type, Force, Reservoir, Applicatiion, Release. etc
         ************************************************************************************)

    BrakeEquipmentType ( Vacuum_brake, Auxilary_reservoir, Handbrake )
    BrakeSystemType ( Vacuum_single_pipe )
    MaxBrakeForce ( 87kN )    Comment (* brake force 17.50t-uk - Railcar.co.uk *)
    MaxHandbrakeForce ( 25kN )
    BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce ( 21inHg )
    BrakePipeVolume ( 1.33ft^3 ) Comment (* from CTN calculator *)
    ORTSBrakeCylinderSize ( 18in )
    ORTSNumberBrakeCylinders ( 2 )
    ORTSAuxilaryResCapacity ( 3.24ft^3 )
    MaxReleaseRate ( 10 )
    MaxApplicationRate ( 5 )
    ORTSDirectAdmissionValve ( 1 )

ORTSBrakeShoeFriction ( 0.0 0.50 8.0 0.288 16.1 0.241 24.1 0.211 32.2 0.187 40.2 0.173 48.3 0.161 56.3 0.150 64.4 0.142 72.2 0.139 80.5 0.134 88.5 0.129 96.6 0.125 104.6 0.123 112.7 0.121)    Comment (* Cast Iron Brakeshoes *)

Comment (* Unit fitted with quick release twin pipe vacuum brake system - brakes section should be updated if this becomes functional in Open Rails *)

Comment (**************** Resistance & SuperElevation **************************
                Included in this section - Wheelbase, gauge, etc
         ***********************************************************************)

    ORTSBearingType ( Roller )
    ORTSDavis_A ( 365 )
    ORTSDavis_B ( 8.6 )
    ORTSDavis_C ( 3.52 )        Comment (* Estimate based on SNCF calculation of resistance *)

    ORTSWagonFrontalArea ( 110ft^2 ) Comment (* Estimate based on dimensions *)
    ORTSDavisDragConstant ( 0.0014 )
    ORTSTrailLocomotiveResistanceFactor ( 0.253 ) Comment (* Ratio of SNCF calculated resistances *)

    CentreOfGravity ( 0m 1.887m 0m )
    ORTSTrackGauge ( 4ft 8.5in )
    ORTSUnbalancedSuperelevation ( 6in )
    ORTSRigidWheelBase ( 8ft 6in )

Comment (************************ Lights (If used) ***********************************
                Included in this section - Type, Colour, Location, Size, Control, etc
         *****************************************************************************)

Lights ( 8

 Light (
   comment( Right White Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.30 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  Light (
   comment( Left White Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.40 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
 Light (
   comment( Right Red Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 4 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
  Light (
   comment( Left Red Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 4 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )

comment ( ** AI Lights ** )
 Light (
   comment( Right White Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Control ( 1 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.30 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  Light (
   comment( Left White Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Control ( 1 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.40 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
 Light (
   comment( Right Red Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Service ( 2 )
    Unit ( 3 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
  Light (
   comment( Left Red Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Service ( 2 )
    Unit ( 3 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
   )

Comment (******************** Freight Animations (If used) *******************
                Included in this section - Freight Animation information, etc
         *********************************************************************)


Comment (********************* Passenger View (If used) ******************
                Included in this section - File, Location, Direction, etc
         *****************************************************************)

  Inside (
  PassengerCabinFile ( greencravpassview.s )
  PassengerCabinHeadPos ( 0.96 2.43 1.23 )
  RotationLimit ( 30 70 0 )
  StartDirection ( 0 0 0 )
  Sound ( "..\\..\\common.sound\\1st Gen DMU v2\\DMUengTrailer.sms" )
 )

Comment (********************** Micellaneous Information **********
                      Included in this section - Name, Sounds, etc
          *********************************************************)

 PassengerCapacity ( 63.0 )

 Sound ( "..\\..\\common.sound\\1st Gen DMU v2\\DMUengTrailer.sms" )
)

Engine ( Class105_DTCL_E56416_BRBf

 Wagon ( Class105_DTCL_E56416_BRBf )

 Type ( Diesel ) Comment (* OR does not support Driving Trailer *)

 MaxVelocity ( 70mph )

Comment (********** Gearbox *************)

 DieselEngineType ( mechanical )

 GearBoxNumberOfGears( 4 )
 GearBoxDirectDriveGear( 4 )
 GearBoxMaxSpeedForGears( 15.3 27 41 65.5 )
 GearBoxMaxTractiveForceForGears( 29200N 16500N 10700N 7150N )
 GearBoxOverspeedPercentageForFailure( 120 )
 GearBoxOperation( manual )
 GearBoxEngineBraking( none )

Comment (*************************** Brake System *********************************************
                      Included in this section - Compressor, Reservoir, Application rates, etc
         **************************************************************************************)

Comment (*** Braking systems ***)
    BrakesTrainBrakeType( vacuum_single_pipe )
    ORTSBrakeServiceTimeFactor ( 120 )
    ORTSBrakePipeTimeFactor ( 0.01 )
    TrainPipeLeakRate ( 0.04 )

    Comment (*** Exhausters ***)
    ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate ( 0.24 )
    Comment (* ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate Assumes rapid charging from reservoir pipe *)
    Comment (* Mechanical exhausters - depend upon engine speed - charge vacuum reservoir - twin pipe system - not modelled in OR *)
    Comment (* Unit fitted with quick release twin pipe vacuum brake system - brakes section should be updated if this becomes functional in Open Rails *)


Comment (*** Brake Valve Combined ***)
    TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 2 )
    TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 1 )
    TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure ( 21inHg )

Comment (******************* Train Control Systems (If used) ***********************************************
                      Included in this section - Monitoring of Overspeed, Emergency Braking, Vigilance, etc
         ***************************************************************************************************)

Comment (* BR AWS *)

Comment (* Script for BR AWS should be added if functional in Open Rails *)

  Comment (************************** Engine Controls **********************************************
                      Included in this section - Controllers for Regulator, Reverser, Brakes, etc
         *****************************************************************************************)

 DoesHornTriggerBell( 0 )
 
 EngineControllers (
      Throttle ( 0 1 0.1 0
        NumNotches ( 5
          Notch( 0 0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 0.15      0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 0.50      0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 0.70      0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 1.0       0 Dummy )))
          
    Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.2 0.4
        NumNotches( 3
                Notch(0 0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
                Notch(0.4 0 TrainBrakesControllerSelfLapStart )
                Notch(0.6 0 TrainBrakesControllerApplyStart )))
 
    DirControl ( -1 0 1 1 )
    AWS ( 0 1 0 )
    Sanding ( 0 1 0 )
    Horn ( 0 1 0 )
    Wipers ( 0 1 0 )
 
    Gear( 0 4 1 0
             NumNotches ( 5
                Notch ( 0         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 1         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 2         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 3         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 4         0 Dummy )))
 
   Headlights ( 0 0.25 1 0 )
   )



 Comment (********************** Micellaneous Information ****************************
                      Included in this section - Alternate Views, Sounds, Names, etc
         ****************************************************************************)


  CabView ( "..\\..\\Common.Cab\\DMUGen1\\DMUGen1aC.cvf" )

 Sound ( "..\\..\\common.sound\\1st Gen DMU v2\\DMUcabTrailer.sms" )

 Name ( "Class105_2carTrBRBf_E56416" )
 
 Description (
  "Built in 1956, the Cravens Class 105 was different to the Class 106 "+
  "in having two AEC 150hp engines. They were re-engined in 1976 with the "+
  "Leyland 150hp engines as used in the Class 106 and were all reclassified "+
  "as Class 105. The Class 105/6 sets were nearly all withdrawn by 1988.\n\n"+
  "These DMUs operated in the Eastern, Midland and Scottish Regions.\n\n"+
  "Engine Type: 2 No. AEC/Leyland Diesel\n"+
  "Power: 150hp\n"+
  "Max. speed: 70mph\n"+
  "Wheel configuration: Four driven axles\n"+
  "Height: 3.83m\n"+
  "Width: 2.77m\n"+
  "Length: 18.79m\n"+
  "Weight: 29.5tons "
 )
 EngineOperatingProcedures (
  "To move forward\n"+
  "1. Press the W key to move the Reverser to Forward.\n"+
  "2. Press the E key to engage first gear.\n"+
  "3. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the train brakes.\n"+
  "4. Press the D key to move the throttle from Idle to Notch 1.\n"+
  "5. Gradually increase power (D key), one notch at a time, until your train reaches 15 mph.\n\n"+
  "6. Press the A key several times to return the throttle to idle.\n"+
  "7. When the engine speed has returned to idle, press the E key to engage second gear.\n"+
  "8. Press the D key again to increase power.\n"+
  "9. Repeat this procedure as the train accelerates, chaning to third gear at 25 mph and changing to fourth gear at 40 mph.\n\n"+
  "To coast at any speed.\n+"
  "1. Press the A key until the throttle returns to idle.\n"+
  "2. Press the E key until the train is in fourth gear.n\"+
  "3. If you need to accelarate again you may need to use SHIFT and E keys together to move to a lower gear depending on your speed.n\n\"+
  "To slow the train\n"+
  "1. Press the A key until the throttle returns to idle.\n"+
  "2. Press the E key until the train is in fourth gear.n\"+
  "3. Use the brakes to further reduce speed if desired.\n\n"+
  "To apply the train brakes - Service application\n"+
  "1. Press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key two times to move the brake from 'OFF' to 'APPLY'.\n"+
  "2. When the vacuum has dropped to between 16 in Hg and 10 in Hg, press the ; (SEMICOLON)key once to move the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "3. If you need to increase the rate of braking press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key once to reduce the vacuum and press the ; (SEMICOLON)key once to return the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "4. If you need to reduce the rate of braking press ; (SEMICOLON)key once to increase the vacuum and press the ' (APOSTROPHE) once to return the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "5. Just before the train stops (when speed is about 10 to 15 mph) hold down the SHIFT key and press the E key four times to return to neutral gear.\n\n"+
  "To apply the train brakes - Emergency application\n"+
  "1. Press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key two times to move the brake from 'OFF' to 'APPLY'.\n"+
  "2. To prevent the wheels from locking (wheel slip) you will need to reduce the rate of braking before the train comes to a stop.\n"+
  "3. To reduce the rate of braking press ; (SEMICOLON)key two times to increase the vacuum to between 5 and 10 in Hg and press the ' (APOSTROPHE) once to return the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "4. Just before the train stops (when speed is about 10 to 15 mph) hold down the SHIFT key and press the E key four times to return to neutral gear.\n\n"+
  "To back up\n"+
  "1. Bring your train to a full stop.\n"+
  "2. Press the S key to move the Reverser to the Reverse position.\n"+
  "3. Select first gear.\n"+
  "4. Release the brakes.\n"+
  "5. Slowly advance the throttle lever (D key).\n\n"+
  "To couple to a car or locomotive\n"+
  "1. Coast into the unit at a very slow speed, about 2 mph.\n"+
  "TIP: To use the Coupling view, press the 6 key.\n"+
  "2. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
  "3. If the icon for the unit you coupled to is red, the handbrake is on. Double-click the car to release the handbrake.\n"+
  "4. Close the Train Operations window.\n\n"+
  "To uncouple from a car or locomotive\n"+
  "1. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
  "2. Double-click a unit in the part of the train you want to uncouple from the locomotive, to set the handbrake.\n"+
  "3. Double-click the coupler between the units you want to uncouple and the rest of the train.\n"+
  "4. Close the Train Operations window."
 )
)

...and the powered DMBS to work with it

Code:
SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( Class105_DMBS_E51258_BRBf

Comment(* Class105_DMBS *)

Comment(* Open Rails physics by Darwin S *)

Comment (***Wagon Section***)

Comment (******************** General Information **********************
                Included in this section - Type, Shape, Size, Mass, etc
         ***************************************************************)

 Type ( Engine )
 WagonShape ( Class105_DMBS_E51258_BRBf.S )
 Size ( 2.85m 3.82m 18.3m )
 Mass ( 30t-uk ) Comment (* Tare 29t-uk *)
 NumWheels ( 2 ) Comment (* 2 unpowered axles *)
 WheelRadius ( 18in )

 Comment (************************* Coupler Information ************************
                Included in this section - Type, Spring, Buffer, Velocity, etc
         **********************************************************************)

   Coupling (
     Type ( chain )
       Spring (
        Stiffness ( 1e6N/m 5e6N/m )
        Break ( 1220kN 1220kN )
        r0 ( -5cm 0cm )))
 
Comment (******************************* Brakes *********************************************
                Included in this section - Type, Force, Reservoir, Applicatiion, Release. etc
         ************************************************************************************)
    BrakeEquipmentType ( Vacuum_brake, Auxilary_reservoir, Handbrake )
    BrakeSystemType ( Vacuum_single_pipe )
    MaxBrakeForce ( 117kN )    Comment (* brake force 23.64t-uk - Railcar.co.uk *)
    MaxHandbrakeForce ( 30kN )
    BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce ( 21inHg )
    BrakePipeVolume ( 1.33ft^3 ) Comment (* from CTN calculator *)
    ORTSBrakeCylinderSize ( 21in )
    ORTSNumberBrakeCylinders ( 2 )
    ORTSAuxilaryResCapacity ( 4.41ft^3 )
    MaxReleaseRate ( 10 )
    MaxApplicationRate ( 5 )
    ORTSDirectAdmissionValve ( 1 )

ORTSBrakeShoeFriction ( 0.0 0.50 8.0 0.288 16.1 0.241 24.1 0.211 32.2 0.187 40.2 0.173 48.3 0.161 56.3 0.150 64.4 0.142 72.2 0.139 80.5 0.134 88.5 0.129 96.6 0.125 104.6 0.123 112.7 0.121)    Comment (* Cast Iron Brakeshoes *)

Comment (* Unit fitted with quick release twin pipe vacuum brake system - brakes section should be updated if this becomes functional in Open Rails *)

Comment (**************** Resistance & SuperElevation **************************
                Included in this section - Wheelbase, gauge, etc
         ***********************************************************************)

    ORTSBearingType ( Roller )
    ORTSDavis_A ( 626 )        Comment (* Estimate based on extra mechanical resistance of transmission *)
    ORTSDavis_B ( 21.3 )
    ORTSDavis_C ( 3.52 )        Comment (* Estimate based on SNCF calculation of resistance for locomotives *)

    ORTSWagonFrontalArea ( 110ft^2 ) Comment (* Estimate based on dimensions *)
    ORTSDavisDragConstant ( 0.0014 )
    ORTSTrailLocomotiveResistanceFactor ( 0.253 ) Comment (* Ratio of SNCF calculated resistances *)

    CentreOfGravity ( 0m 1.887m 0m )
    ORTSTrackGauge ( 4ft 8.5in )
    ORTSUnbalancedSuperelevation ( 6in )
    ORTSRigidWheelBase ( 8ft 6in )

Comment (************************ Lights (If used) ***********************************
                Included in this section - Type, Colour, Location, Size, Control, etc
         *****************************************************************************)
Lights ( 8

 Light (
   comment( Right White Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.30 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  Light (
   comment( Left White Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.40 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
 Light (
   comment( Right Red Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 4 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
  Light (
   comment( Left Red Marker Light Dim & Bright )
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 4 )
    Unit ( 4 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )

comment ( ** AI Lights ** )
 Light (
   comment( Right White Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Control ( 1 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.30 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  Light (
   comment( Left White Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Control ( 1 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffdd )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.40 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
 Light (
   comment( Right Red Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Service ( 2 )
    Unit ( 3 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( 1.01 1.72 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
  
  Light (
   comment( Left Red Marker Light AI)
   Type  ( 0 )
   Conditions (
   Service ( 2 )
    Unit ( 3 )
    )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 0.5 )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ff0000 )
     Position ( -0.97 1.75 9.13 )
     Azimuth ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
     Transition ( 0 )
     Radius ( 0.20 )
     Elevation ( 0 0 0 )
     )
    )
   )
   )

 Comment (******************** Freight Animations (If used) *******************
                Included in this section - Freight Animation information, etc
         *********************************************************************)

  FreightAnim ( dhbs_inside.S 0.0 3.0 0.0 )

Comment (********************* Passenger View (If used) ******************
                Included in this section - File, Location, Direction, etc
         *****************************************************************)

  Inside (
  PassengerCabinFile ( greencravpassview.s )
  PassengerCabinHeadPos ( 0.96 2.43 1.23 )
  RotationLimit ( 30 70 0 )
  StartDirection ( 0 0 0 )
  Sound ( "..\\..\\common.sound\\Class_105_Sound\\Class105wag.sms" )
 )
  
Comment (********************** Micellaneous Information **********
                      Included in this section - Name, Sounds, etc
          *********************************************************)

 IntakePoint ( 3 1 FuelDiesel )
 PassengerCapacity ( 52 )
 Sound ( "..\\..\\common.sound\\Class_105_Sound\\Class105eng.sms" )
)

Engine ( Class105_DMBS_E51258_BRBf
 Effects (
  DieselSpecialEffects (
   comment (
    the format of these little blocks is as follow:

    offset.x offset.y offset.z
    normal.x normal.y normal.z
    width in metres

    defining the offset from the shape pivot point
    where steam / smoke should appear, the direction
    it should go and the width of the nozzle
   )
   Exhaust1 (
    0.60 3.90914 -9.0
    0.2 0.3 0
    0.1
   )
   Exhaust2 (
    -0.60 3.90914 -9.0
    0.2 0.3 0
    0.1
   )
  )
 )

 Wagon ( Class105_DMBS_E51258_BRBf )

Comment (************************ General Information ****************
                      Included in this section - Wheels, sanding, etc
          ************************************************)

    Type ( Diesel )
    WheelRadius ( 18in )
    NumWheels ( 2 ) Comment (* two axles powered *)
    Sanding ( 10mph )
    ORTSDriveWheelWeight ( 15t-uk )

Comment (************************ Diesel Engine ****************)

 MaxDieselLevel( 190g-uk )

 MaxVelocity ( 70mph )

ORTSDieselEngines ( 2
 Diesel(
 IdleRPM ( 400 )
 MaxRPM ( 1800 )
 StartingRPM ( 200 )
 StartingConfirmRPM ( 300 )
 ChangeUpRPMpS ( 90 )
 ChangeDownRPMpS ( 240 )
 RateOfChangeUpRPMpSS ( 60 )
 RateOfChangeDownRPMpSS ( 60 )
 MaximalPower  ( 111855 )
 IdleExhaust ( 1.2 )
 MaxExhaust ( 2.2 )
 ExhaustDynamics ( 1.6 )
 ExhaustDynamicsDown ( 0.8 )
 ExhaustColor ( 405F6E73 )
 ExhaustTransientColor ( 7F6B787D )
 DieselPowerTab (
          0 0
          400 17896
          1200 76061
          1400 91721
          1480 97686
          1520 99923
          1600 102160
          1800 107380
          2000 88738
          )
 DieselConsumptionTab (
 0 0
 400 6
 600 10
 1100    18
 1400 24
 1800 34
 )
 ThrottleRPMTab (
 0 400
 15 600
 50 1100
 70 1400
 100 1800
 )
 DieselTorqueTab (
        0 0
        400 427
        1200 605
        1400 625
        1480 630
        1520 627
        1600 609
        1800 569
        2000 423
         )
 MinOilPressure ( 40 )
 MaxOilPressure ( 90 )
 MaxTemperature ( 120 )
 Cooling ( 3 )
 TempTimeConstant ( 720 )
 OptTemperature ( 90 )
 IdleTemperature ( 70 )
 )
Diesel(
 IdleRPM ( 400 )
 MaxRPM ( 1800 )
 StartingRPM ( 200 )
 StartingConfirmRPM ( 300 )
 ChangeUpRPMpS ( 90 )
 ChangeDownRPMpS ( 240 )
 RateOfChangeUpRPMpSS ( 60 )
 RateOfChangeDownRPMpSS ( 60 )
 MaximalPower  ( 111855 )
 IdleExhaust ( 1.2 )
 MaxExhaust ( 2.2 )
 ExhaustDynamics ( 1.6 )
 ExhaustDynamicsDown ( 0.8 )
 ExhaustColor ( 405F6E73 )
 ExhaustTransientColor ( 7F6B787D )
 DieselPowerTab (
          0 0
          400 17896
          1200 76061
          1400 91721
          1480 97686
          1520 99923
          1600 102160
          1800 107380
          2000 88738
          )
 DieselConsumptionTab (
 0 0
 400 6
 600 10
 1100    18
 1400 24
 1800 34
 )
 ThrottleRPMTab (
 0 400
 15 600
 50 1100
 70 1400
 100 1800
 )
 DieselTorqueTab (
        0 0
        400 427
        1200 605
        1400 625
        1480 630
        1520 627
        1600 609
        1800 569
        2000 423
         )
 MinOilPressure ( 40 )
 MaxOilPressure ( 90 )
 MaxTemperature ( 120 )
 Cooling ( 3 )
 TempTimeConstant ( 720 )
 OptTemperature ( 90 )
 IdleTemperature ( 70 )
 )
)

Comment (********** Gearbox *************)

 DieselEngineType ( mechanical )

 GearBoxNumberOfGears( 4 )
 GearBoxDirectDriveGear( 4 )
 GearBoxMaxSpeedForGears( 15.3 27 41 65.5 )
 GearBoxMaxTractiveForceForGears( 29200N 16500N 10700N 7150N )
 GearBoxOverspeedPercentageForFailure( 120 )
 GearBoxOperation( manual )
 GearBoxEngineBraking( none )
 
Comment (*************************** Brake System *********************************************
                      Included in this section - Compressor, Reservoir, Application rates, etc
         **************************************************************************************)

Comment (*** Braking systems ***)
    BrakesTrainBrakeType( vacuum_single_pipe )
    ORTSBrakeServiceTimeFactor ( 120 )
    ORTSBrakePipeTimeFactor ( 0.01 )
    TrainPipeLeakRate ( 0.04 )

    Comment (*** Exhausters ***)
    ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate ( 0.24 )
    Comment (* ORTSBrakePipeChargingRate Assumes rapid charging from reservoir pipe *)
    Comment (* Mechanical exhausters - depend upon engine speed - charge vacuum reservoir - twin pipe system - not modelled in OR *)
    Comment (* Unit fitted with quick release twin pipe vacuum brake system - brakes section should be updated if this becomes functional in Open Rails *)


Comment (*** Brake Valve Combined ***)
    TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 2 )
    TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 1 )
    TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure ( 21inHg )

Comment (******************* Train Control Systems (If used) ***********************************************
                      Included in this section - Monitoring of Overspeed, Emergency Braking, Vigilance, etc
         ***************************************************************************************************)

Comment (* BR AWS *)

Comment (* Script for BR AWS should be added if functional in Open Rails *)

  Comment (************************** Engine Controls **********************************************
                      Included in this section - Controllers for Regulator, Reverser, Brakes, etc
         *****************************************************************************************)

 DoesHornTriggerBell( 0 )
 
 EngineControllers (
      Throttle ( 0 1 0.1 0
        NumNotches ( 5
          Notch( 0 0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 0.15      0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 0.50      0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 0.70      0 Dummy )
          Notch ( 1.0       0 Dummy )))
          
    Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.2 0.4
        NumNotches( 3
                Notch(0 0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
                Notch(0.4 0 TrainBrakesControllerSelfLapStart )
                Notch(0.6 0 TrainBrakesControllerApplyStart )))
 
    DirControl ( -1 0 1 1 )
    AWS ( 0 1 0 )
    Sanding ( 0 1 0 )
    Horn ( 0 1 0 )
    Wipers ( 0 1 0 )
 
    Gear( 0 4 1 0
             NumNotches ( 5
                Notch ( 0         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 1         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 2         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 3         0 Dummy )
                Notch ( 4         0 Dummy )))
 
   Headlights ( 0 0.25 1 0 )
   )


 Comment (********************** Micellaneous Information ****************************
                      Included in this section - Alternate Views, Sounds, Names, etc
         ****************************************************************************)

 CabView ( "..\\..\\Common.Cab\\DMUGen1\\DMUGen1aC.cvf" )

 Sound ( "..\\..\\common.sound\\Class_105_Sound\\Class105cab.sms" )

 Name ( "Class105_2carTrBRBf_E51258" )

 Description (
  "Built in 1956, the Cravens Class 105 was different to the Class 106 "+
  "in having two AEC 150hp engines. They were re-engined in 1976 with the "+
  "Leyland 150hp engines as used in the Class 106 and were all reclassified "+
  "as Class 105. The Class 105/6 sets were nearly all withdrawn by 1988.\n\n"+
  "These DMUs operated in the Eastern, Midland and Scottish Regions.\n\n"+
  "Engine Type: 2 No. AEC/Leyland Diesel\n"+
  "Power: 150hp\n"+
  "Max. speed: 70mph\n"+
  "Wheel configuration: Four driven axles\n"+
  "Height: 3.83m\n"+
  "Width: 2.77m\n"+
  "Length: 18.79m\n"+
  "Weight: 29.5tons "
 )

 EngineOperatingProcedures (
  "To move forward\n"+
  "1. Press the W key to move the Reverser to Forward.\n"+
  "2. Press the E key to engage first gear.\n"+
  "3. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the train brakes.\n"+
  "4. Press the D key to move the throttle from Idle to Notch 1.\n"+
  "5. Gradually increase power (D key), one notch at a time, until your train reaches 15 mph.\n\n"+
  "6. Press the A key several times to return the throttle to idle.\n"+
  "7. When the engine speed has returned to idle, press the E key to engage second gear.\n"+
  "8. Press the D key again to increase power.\n"+
  "9. Repeat this procedure as the train accelerates, chaning to third gear at 25 mph and changing to fourth gear at 40 mph.\n\n"+
  "To coast at any speed.\n+"
  "1. Press the A key until the throttle returns to idle.\n"+
  "2. Press the E key until the train is in fourth gear.n\"+
  "3. If you need to accelarate again you may need to use SHIFT and E keys together to move to a lower gear depending on your speed.n\n\"+
  "To slow the train\n"+
  "1. Press the A key until the throttle returns to idle.\n"+
  "2. Press the E key until the train is in fourth gear.n\"+
  "3. Use the brakes to further reduce speed if desired.\n\n"+
  "To apply the train brakes - Service application\n"+
  "1. Press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key two times to move the brake from 'OFF' to 'APPLY'.\n"+
  "2. When the vacuum has dropped to between 16 in Hg and 10 in Hg, press the ; (SEMICOLON)key once to move the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "3. If you need to increase the rate of braking press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key once to reduce the vacuum and press the ; (SEMICOLON)key once to return the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "4. If you need to reduce the rate of braking press ; (SEMICOLON)key once to increase the vacuum and press the ' (APOSTROPHE) once to return the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "5. Just before the train stops (when speed is about 10 to 15 mph) hold down the SHIFT key and press the E key four times to return to neutral gear.\n\n"+
  "To apply the train brakes - Emergency application\n"+
  "1. Press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key two times to move the brake from 'OFF' to 'APPLY'.\n"+
  "2. To prevent the wheels from locking (wheel slip) you will need to reduce the rate of braking before the train comes to a stop.\n"+
  "3. To reduce the rate of braking press ; (SEMICOLON)key two times to increase the vacuum to between 5 and 10 in Hg and press the ' (APOSTROPHE) once to return the brakes to the 'LAP' position.\n"+
  "4. Just before the train stops (when speed is about 10 to 15 mph) hold down the SHIFT key and press the E key four times to return to neutral gear.\n\n"+
  "To back up\n"+
  "1. Bring your train to a full stop.\n"+
  "2. Press the S key to move the Reverser to the Reverse position.\n"+
  "3. Select first gear.\n"+
  "4. Release the brakes.\n"+
  "5. Slowly advance the throttle lever (D key).\n\n"+
  "To couple to a car or locomotive\n"+
  "1. Coast into the unit at a very slow speed, about 2 mph.\n"+
  "TIP: To use the Coupling view, press the 6 key.\n"+
  "2. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
  "3. If the icon for the unit you coupled to is red, the handbrake is on. Double-click the car to release the handbrake.\n"+
  "4. Close the Train Operations window.\n\n"+
  "To uncouple from a car or locomotive\n"+
  "1. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
  "2. Double-click a unit in the part of the train you want to uncouple from the locomotive, to set the handbrake.\n"+
  "3. Double-click the coupler between the units you want to uncouple and the rest of the train.\n"+
  "4. Close the Train Operations window."
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Post  IsambardKingdomBrunel Mon 26 Oct 2020, 6:47 pm

Hiya buddy, thanks very much for the info.

Stephen's fix has worked for me on numerous occasions. As i am always removing OR & MSTS content and then re-installing again a couple of months later.

But thank you for posting and i will keep your solution in mind.

Regards,
Mike.
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