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Post  ShortNorth on Wed 07 Nov 2018, 6:12 am

It's been a bit quiet in here for a few months, so an announcement is imminent.

Having got the Huddersfield and Environs 1920 and LMS 1930's versions, and Black Country 1920 and LMS 1930's versions out in the public arena, I started to look at an 'old' route that I've had in the back of my mind for years.

The LYR Heartland route - this route covers the LYR main lines from Upholland Tunnel to Summit Tunnel, both via Manchester Victoria and by the Bolton / Bury line and a number of other north-south cross-country lines - see attached map.

Stage 1 will essentially be the main lines from Victoria through to Summit Tunnel, with stubs radiating off the main lines. Stage 2 will be the Oldham Loop and the Bury line via Heaton Park, and associated minor lines. Stage 3 will go west from Victoria to Upholland Tunnel, via Walkden and Wigan. Stages 4/5 will be all the other lines to the west of Manchester shown on the map. I'm expecting around 12 - 18 months work to finish this route.

Once the 1920 version is out, then I'll do the LMS 1930's version to match the others.

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Post  slipperman12 on Wed 07 Nov 2018, 9:11 am

Hi Brian,
There's no stopping you, is there, mate?!! Very Happy

I'm sure it'll be just as good as your previous routes - looking forward to this one!

Cheers,
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Post  ShortNorth on Sun 23 Dec 2018, 6:56 am

A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all fans of the L&YR.

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Post  rufuskins on Sun 23 Dec 2018, 12:00 pm

I haven't posted on here for a while but I still look in most weeks. The Christmas Screenshot is superb and I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.


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Post  ShortNorth on Sun 30 Dec 2018, 11:45 pm

In the screenshot above, you can see the 'only' LYR signal box shape available from the freeware downloads. Unfortunately, this is in faded BR maroon livery, right out of character with LYR 1920 era. Also as I was progressing through the route, I realised I needed several other signal box shapes.

So, I built a 'kit' of new LYR signal boxes in LYR colours.

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These make a HUGE difference in the appearance of the route.

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Post  rufuskins on Mon 31 Dec 2018, 1:18 pm

. . . and very nice too! OK OK OK


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Post  ShortNorth on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 12:27 am

Coming Soon !!!

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The Final Beta is currently out with the testers.

Release hopefully by the end of April.

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Post  ShortNorth on Tue 23 Apr 2019, 11:56 pm

LYR-Heartland V1 is now available for download at UKTS

I have already started laying track for V2.

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Post  Bob Latimer on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 11:43 pm

Hi Brian.

Thanks very much for the new route.

Route_Riter tells me that LYR-Heartland-1920\ttype.dat calls for

DemoAutoSound/curveswitchtrackin.sms
DemoAutoSound/curveswitchtrackex.sms
DemoAutoSound/switchtrackin.sms
DemoAutoSound/switchtrackex.sms
DemoAutoSound/curvesquealtrackin.sms
DemoAutoSound/curvesquealtrackex.sms

which don't exist (anywhere in my MSTS installation).

Is there a fix?

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Post  ShortNorth on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 1:28 am

The answer is in the Guidelines document :

extract----------------------------------------------------
Automatic Switch and Curve Sounds

Open Rails Version 1.3 added the ability to apply automatic switch and curve squeal sounds throughout a Route. To activate automatic switch and curve sounds, there are two components, one component must be setup in the \xxxxx\Routes\LYR-Heartland-1920\sound\DemoAutoSound folder. The other component must be setup in the specific Route folder.

The DemoAutoSounds can only be downloaded direct from the Authors (Carlos Santucci) site http://www.interazioni-educative.it/Varie/DemoAutoSound.zip
Make sure you read the installation and copyright information included with this file. The copyright does not allow me to include this with the route, the user must download and separately install the DemoAutoSound set themselves.


I have already included the necessary 'other' files within the route download, so as long as you have installed Carlos's sound files in the correct location, the auto sounds within the route will be activated.
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Post  Bob Latimer on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 1:47 am

Thanks Brian.

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Post  Bob Latimer on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 5:45 am

I've downloaded the sound add-on and installed it according to the instructions.

Route_Riter now tells me that it's missing file x_Switch.wav As a workaround I copied Switch.wav and renamed the copy as x_Switch.wav and then Route_Riter was happy.

I'll see if I can get hold of the add-on's author.

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Post  ShortNorth on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 12:53 am

Bob Latimer wrote:I've downloaded the sound add-on and installed it according to the instructions.  

Route_Riter now tells me that it's missing file x_Switch.wav As a workaround I copied Switch.wav and renamed the copy as x_Switch.wav and then Route_Riter was happy.

I'll see if I can get hold of the add-on's author.

G'day Bob,

I found that missing x_switch.wav problem as well, and fixed it the same way you did. I'm surprised that Carlos hasn't found it and corrected it in his 'master' download.

My Open Rails installation consists of 22 routes, a good mixture of NSWGR and LMS routes, and I have installed the automatic switch and curves sounds in all 22 routes - the difference when running trains is just amazing !

Regards, Brian


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Post  Bob Latimer on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 9:22 am

I got this reply from Carlo:
"Hi Bob,
yes, that file is recalled in two .sms files but is missing.
It is however recalled in the ScalabiltyGroup ( 0 ) block, which is the one MSTS uses for AI trains and which is not used by OR. So it is not something that influences the execution of the .sms files. If you want to get rid of the Route_Riter warning, you can make a copy any other .wav file (e.g. x_switchfast.wav) and rename it x_switch.wav.
Regards
Carlo"

So it appears our "solution" was okay.

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Post  mikeanddi on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 9:33 pm

Hi Brian

Many thanks for another excellent looking, and intricate route.

Your efforts are very much appreciated.

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Post  Markh5682 on Sat 27 Apr 2019, 10:31 pm

Hi Brian.

Another great route, thanks. OK

I had trouble getting it to load at first, then I noticed it mentioned turntable in the OR error message, so I downloaded and installed "UKTS_38587_Global_Turntable_Files", all good now. Very Happy


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Post  ShortNorth on Thu 09 May 2019, 12:15 am

The trackwork for Version 2 is now done - see the map below "

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That's only the track, still heaps to do before V2 is released.

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Post  ShortNorth on Sat 25 May 2019, 4:10 am

Time for a little teazer !!!

Here's a shot of a Manchester Bury electric set sitting in Bury Bolton Street waiting to depart for Manchester Victoria.

Bury Bolton Street will be coming in LYR Heartland V2, to be released in the coming months - the electric set will be released in conjunction with the route. Pity that X-Tracks doesn't have any 3rd rail track sections.

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Post  rufuskins on Sun 26 May 2019, 9:58 am

What a superb picture of brilliant modelling both for the station and the electric unit!


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Post  ShortNorth on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 1:28 am

Time for another little teaser.

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A Blackpool to Manchester express is running through the Up Fast as it swings through the famous curved West Junction at Bolton Trinity Street station.

The V2 route is not far away now - about 90% complete. Hopefully it should be available by the end of the month, or early next month. I've also re-visited sections of V1 and added /upgraded to V2 standards. I've also built some LYR non-corridor stock to replace the 'generic' LYR non-corridor stock, and also built a set of arc roof and a set of elliptical roof corridor coaches, so we can now have some 'proper' LYR express corridor trains.

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Post  mikeanddi on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 9:10 am

Lovely shot Brian, and great news about the forthcoming extended / upgraded route.

Kind regards
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Post  terrycunliffe on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 11:07 am

Looking good Brian Very Happy
As regards 3rd rail sections, I'm sure that a man of your talents could come up with a selection of single rail, static objects which then could be aligned with, and placed alongside, the x-track sections. Would involve some work in the actual placing, and would increase the tile object count, but the result should be worth it?
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Post  rufuskins on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 2:25 pm

OK OK OK


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Post  ShortNorth on Sat 10 Aug 2019, 3:05 am

terrycunliffe wrote:Looking good Brian  Very Happy
As regards 3rd rail sections, I'm sure that a man of your talents could come up with a selection of single rail, static objects which then could be aligned with, and placed alongside, the x-track sections. Would involve some work in the actual placing, and would increase the tile object count, but the result should be worth it?
Cheers  T

I've already been there, months ago - that was one of the first things I thought about.

Actually, I've tried two different techniques - the first one was to lay a mix of 'standard' X-Tracks track in conjunction with 3rd rail straights from UKFS - I had to use single track sections, as the track centre spacing for UKFS double track is much smaller than X-Tracks - secondly, the rail section and ballast textures just didn't 'gel' together, it really looked like a 'dog's breakfast'.

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The second technique was to make a short 10metre 3rd rail overlay, which had both the 3rd rail sitting up on a couple of insulators and a 4th rail between the running rails - this was designed to be placed by the 'Autogantry' method. I laid a sample of this on some plain FLAT track and it looked OK, but read further ..........

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The actual 3rd rail line as modelled in Heartland is from the terminal platforms at Victoria through to the main platforms at Bury Bolton Street. The two ends of the electrified line fall on MAXIMUM object density tiles - even if I did manage to lay 3rd rail overlay, it would NOT BE POSSIBLE to get the 3rd rail overlay track any closer to either end of the line than around one to two miles, because these tiles are already at MAX size.

For the rest of the 'plain' track between these two points, it seemed possible to lay the 3rd rail overlay track, BUT it didn't work out that way. The overlay track fits very nicely on FLAT TRACK ONLY. Unfortunately, most of the line from Cheetham Hill Junction to Bury South Junction is on GRADED track. In theory this shouldn't matter, BUT when you lay graded track and use the N key to fit the terrain to the track, it DOES NOT set the terrain perfectly to the underside of the track, the terrain grid will only fit 'closely', but with a very distinct stair-step effect along the track - i.e. the terrain is not a SMOOTH fit to the underside of the track. When you use the Autogantry to place objects along the track, the placement is NOT SET to the track, but to the TERRAIN underneath.

As soon as I placed the 3rd rail overlay on a sloped gradient, the overlay sections went 'haywire' pointing anywhere except aligned with the track. I took a small section of about half a kilometre, and started to try to align the 3rd rail overlay with the track manually - two hours later, I still had a mess - when you try to tilt a section manually, even if the centre of the object is its natural centre, the manual tilting skews the object, and it is nearly impossible to align correctly with the track sections underneath and the ends of the adjacent 3rd rail sections. I persisted with this for a few extra hours, but gave up in the end.

The method works well for FLAT track, but as soon a a gradient is involved it just all goes to rubbish !!!

Once V2 is out, I still have to do a V3 yet - I might have a break between them and have another try to lay 3rd rail overlay track - if successful, it would be released as part of V3.

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Post  ShortNorth on Wed 14 Aug 2019, 3:04 am

And ......................... here's another shot of the Blackpool to Manchester Express swinging through Bolton Trinity Street West Junction

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